MURDERED: 8 yr old Leila Fowler - 12 yr old brother charged

[Adub]

Here's a 14 year old charged as an adult in Santa Barbara county. First degree murder. He is a little gangbanger.



Fourteen year old charged along with ten other in the death of a Santa Maria man
Posted: May 23, 2013

The DA decided to charge the 14-year old as an adult based on the details of the investigation.
"There was certainly a connection here, many of the suspects and the victim have been involved with drug trades in the past," said Santa Maria Police Chief Ralph Martin.
According to the original investigation, Ibarra's death involved the dealing of street drugs.

http://www.ksby.com/news/fourteen-year-o...maria-man/

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks Adub.

I wonder where the 10 year old is staying and what's going on with that case.

From the article upthread:
According to the Department of Corrections, there were 754 youth offenders in California's juvenile justice facilities and camps as of Dec. 31, none under the age of 14. Most juvenile cases are settled out of court by defense lawyers, the district attorney and a probation officer, and most juvenile hearings are closed to the public, but this case will bear a stronger resemblance to criminal court proceedings, Myers said.

Maybe the 10 year old is being processed through Juvenile Justice, but isn't in a juvenile detention facility because he had an existing anger management issue, apparently managed by medication. Doesn't seem like he or his adoptive mother denied the killing, based on the article.

Anyway, the fact that the 10 year old is facing similar charges in California's Juvenile Justice system might make it even less likely for Isaiah's attorneys to get anywhere with the claim that he's too young to go the same route. Precedent.

[Adub]

There doesn't have to be any precedent. If the Fowler son probably did it he will be adjudicated. The lawyer is just blowing smoke.

[HairOfTheDog]

There doesn't have to be any precedent. If the Fowler son probably did it he will be adjudicated. The lawyer is just blowing smoke.

I don't think they're counting on a dismissal based on age either.

While there doesn't need to be a precedent to blow the smoke out of the room, doesn't hurt that the state has a case of an even younger defendant who's already been similarly processed with which to counter.

Guess we'll see what happens in July, unless the defense attorneys follow through with a dismissal motion before then.

[HairOfTheDog]

More from the defense attorneys following yesterday's hearing:

Reichel says one major issue in the case is the age of the defendant and his ability to understand the situation.

"Trying a 12-year old is a very difficult question, we don't have the answer yet on whether that's even possible," explained Reichel. "It's the issue of a 12-year-old that we are concerned about and whether or not a 12-year-old can go through these proceedings, can be on trial in such a serious case, and can actively participate to the point that the trial resembles what we call fundamental fairness."

Reichel says he expects the defense will spend 10,000 hours examining evidence which is still coming in. Fowler will return to court July 31^st to set a trial date.

Source:
http://capradio.org/3855?utm_source=feed...ews+RSS%29

[LytoMe]

In the statements from the attorney I am getting he is not saying he is Innocent. He is stating that he feels the 12 year old does not understand what he did. I feel is completely BULLSHIT. NOWADAYS a 12 year old knows more then some adults. Especially living in a house with several older siblings.

I think an insanity plea would be easier then this "to young to charge with murder". If this child did the crime, he should be held accountable.

[HairOfTheDog]

In the statements from the attorney I am getting he is not saying he is Innocent. He is stating that he feels the 12 year old does not understand what he did.

The attorneys are reportedly saying that they believe Isaiah is innocent, and that the boy may be too young to stand trial, and that they've got a lot of evidence to sift through. I think that the attorneys simply have so much more to comb through and to strategize that they have no real game plan as of yet. They're just tossing out claims that are non-committal but look favorable to their client in the meantime.

New article:

Snipped:
Isaiah’s court appearance took about two minutes, the Stockton Record reported. The short session was attributed to the boy’s lawyers not asking for the case to be dismissed or that he not remain in juvenile jail as he awaits trial.

"Our view of the case hasn't changed. We got in believing our client was innocent, and as we stand here, that's what we believe,” Reichel said outside the courthouse steps.

He contended that there was no “smoking gun” in the case against Isaiah, although he conceded that his client lied about the intruder. Still, Reichel said, that doesn’t mean the boy killed his sister.

"We're still in the middle of our own personal investigation of the facts," Reichel said, according to KCRA.

Isaiah is confined in a single cell in a juvenile facility, goes to the jail’s school and works out at the jail, the attorney said.

Reichel told Reuters that Isaiah was suspended from school in January for bringing a Swiss Army knife. Aside from that incident, the lawyer said the 12-year-old is “a very normal boy in a normal setting with normal siblings.”

The Fowler family moved to an “undisclosed location” since the charges. One of Isaiah’s attorneys, Steve Plesser, told KCRA that the family is “unsettled.” He said he was trying to get the boy released to his parents while he awaits trial, but hasn’t yet asked a judge to follow through on the request.

"We don't have the best release plan in place at this point," the attorney said. "The family hasn't had a chance to get a firm foundation on their home life yet."

http://www.ibtimes.com/12-year-old-denie...er-1284483#

[LytoMe]

Sorry this comment makes me laugh "Reichel told Reuters that Isaiah was suspended from school in January for bringing a Swiss Army knife. Aside from that incident, the lawyer said the 12-year-old is “a very normal boy in a normal setting with normal siblings.”

Seriously? Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school, and get suspended for said knife. It would make all the more serious is if he threatened someone with the knife. How did he get caught?

[Duchess]

Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school,

I have to disagree with this. My brothers all carried knives, usually a buck knife so did all their friends and they were the same age if not younger than this kid. I don't think a kid who carries a knife should automatically be labeled a bad kid. I understand that many kids are coddled these days & a lot of parents would have a shit fit if their kid carried one.

[HairOfTheDog]

Sorry this comment makes me laugh "Reichel told Reuters that Isaiah was suspended from school in January for bringing a Swiss Army knife. Aside from that incident, the lawyer said the 12-year-old is “a very normal boy in a normal setting with normal siblings.”

Seriously? Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school, and get suspended for said knife. It would make all the more serious is if he threatened someone with the knife. How did he get caught?

That statement was a head-scratcher in its incompleteness.

"Ummm, aside from the knife at school, oh and the fact that his 8 year old sister was stabbed to death while home alone with him and then he at the very least lied about an intruder fleeing the scene, it's all very normal and ho-hum". Okay.

Don't know how he got caught with the knife.

About the "too young" hot air. His parents presumably considered him old enough to look over an 8 year old by himself. Doesn't reflect well on their parental judgment if they now latch on to the claim that he's not old enough to answer for her death, imo.

I don't think that Isaiah is going anywhere for a very long time. If Barney and Crystal actually pushed to have him released to home, they might well have their hands full with exes wanting custody of the other kids, CPS...

[LytoMe]

Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school,

I have to disagree with this. My brothers all carried knives, usually a buck knife so did all their friends and they were the same age if not younger than this kid. I don't think a kid who carries a knife should automatically be labeled a bad kid. I understand that many kids are coddled these days & a lot of parents would have a shit fit if their kid carried one.

Question - do you come from a family of hunters? Because that is common for hunters. And NOWADAYS is so different compared to when I went to school, carrying a knife is MORE serious then it use to be. (mind you I am in my early thirties)

In this day, I would consider it more serious then when I was in school. But again this is just my opinion.

[LytoMe]

Sorry this comment makes me laugh "Reichel told Reuters that Isaiah was suspended from school in January for bringing a Swiss Army knife. Aside from that incident, the lawyer said the 12-year-old is “a very normal boy in a normal setting with normal siblings.”

Seriously? Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school, and get suspended for said knife. It would make all the more serious is if he threatened someone with the knife. How did he get caught?

That statement was a head-scratcher in its incompleteness.

"Ummm, aside from the knife at school, oh and the fact that his 8 year old sister was stabbed to death while home alone with him and then he at the very least lied about an intruder fleeing the scenet, it's all very normal and ho-hum". Okay.

Don't know how he got caught with the knife.

About the "too young" hot air. His parents presumably considered him old enough to look over an 8 year old by himself. Doesn't reflect well on their parental judgment if they now latch on to the claim that he's not old enough to answer for her death, imo.

I don't think that Isaiah is going anywhere for a very long time. If Barney and Crystal actually pushed to have him released to home, they might well have their hands full with exes wanting custody of the other kids, CPS...

Having worked with DYFS, Department of Children and Family, he would not be allowed to be released to the mother and father if they have small children. Due to the charge he has been charged with this would void him from being around young children.

Aside from that, the parents should want to keep their other children safe. Away from him. Obviously they know he did it. I really do not think that the PD would waste their time on a 12 year old if it was not for evidence against him or even his own word.

[ramseycat]

Bringing a knife to school these days will get you suspended.

[Duchess]

Question - do you come from a family of hunters?

Jocks who liked to hunt.

I think it's unfair to label people. I get that kids can't carry that kind of thing to school these days but normally parents won't be okay with their kid having something like that unless they are responsible.

[Adub]

Here's another one. The kid is now twelve. He was ten when he murdered his father.


12-year-old guilty of murder: Jeffrey Hall, Riverside neo-Nazi leader, killed by son, judge says

Posted: 01/15/2013
•By: Greg Botelho, CNN

A California judge ruled Monday that a then 10-year-old boy committed second-degree murder -- and knew what he was doing was wrong -- when he fatally shot his father, a local neo-Nazi leader.

Jeffrey Hall was asleep on a couch in his family's Riverside home when his son killed him on May 1, 2011, according to authorities. CNN is not naming the boy, who is now 12, because he is a juvenile.

Hall had been the Southwestern states regional director for the National Socialist Movement, according to an online tribute to him from the group's leader, Jeff Schoep. One of the nation's biggest, most well-known neo-Nazi organizations, the National Socialist Movement idolizes Adolf Hitler and touts virulent rhetoric against those who are Jewish, immigrants and not "pure-blood whites," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center civil rights group.

Prosecutors contend the victim's neo-Nazi background is not linked to his death, saying the young killer's concerns about abuse and his family being split up were more significant factors.


http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/12...z2UoeXAZSu

[lady love]

Sorry this comment makes me laugh "Reichel told Reuters that Isaiah was suspended from school in January for bringing a Swiss Army knife. Aside from that incident, the lawyer said the 12-year-old is “a very normal boy in a normal setting with normal siblings.”

Seriously? Just a normal boy does not bring a knife to school, and get suspended for said knife. It would make all the more serious is if he threatened someone with the knife. How did he get caught?

That statement was a head-scratcher in its incompleteness.

"Ummm, aside from the knife at school, oh and the fact that his 8 year old sister was stabbed to death while home alone with him and then he at the very least lied about an intruder fleeing the scene, it's all very normal and ho-hum". Okay.

Don't know how he got caught with the knife.

About the "too young" hot air. His parents presumably considered him old enough to look over an 8 year old by himself. Doesn't reflect well on their parental judgment if they now latch on to the claim that he's not old enough to answer for her death, imo.

I don't think that Isaiah is going anywhere for a very long time. If Barney and Crystal actually pushed to have him released to home, they might well have their hands full with exes wanting custody of the other kids, CPS...

If that little POS gets released and walks free I hope Leila haunts the little shit for the rest of his life. I hope he sees her face every time he closes his eyes to sleep and every time he blinks. I hope she drives him so insane that he ends up spending the rest of his life in a mental institution.

[lady love]

In the statements from the attorney I am getting he is not saying he is Innocent. He is stating that he feels the 12 year old does not understand what he did. I feel is completely BULLSHIT. NOWADAYS a 12 year old knows more then some adults. Especially living in a house with several older siblings.

I think an insanity plea would be easier then this "to young to charge with murder". If this child did the crime, he should be held accountable.

If they try for an insanity plea I hope it does not go thru. I hope the courts will realize he was sane enough to make up an intruder story and hide any evidence and keep police searching for a man that did not exist.

Every picture and video I have seen that shows Isaiah he looks emotionless and shows no sign of remorse what so ever. Even in pictures that were on crystal walters facebook with him in them long before the murder he looked like he was evil. nothing but a blank emotionless stare.

He knows what he did and his lawyers know what he did. But its their jobs to get him off no matter if they think he did it or didn't. To them its nothing but a publicity case for them.

This whole thing reminds me of O.J. Simpson.

[Adub]

lady,

That little pos, as you call him is a juvenile. Even though he will be held to answer to charges filed, his background, his upbringing, will come into play. It is very rare for a 12 year old to murder, much less their little sister. If it comes down to emotional issues, then the courts will look toward the family. And it seems the only consistent family that he has had is his dad.

And his dad may have emotional issues of his own, considering his inability to maintain a healthy relationship with women. Lots to look at here. I'm still thinking that dad may just be a misogynist.
Nasty bunch.

[Adub]

This whole thing reminds me of O.J. Simpson.

Justin Simpson did not murder his little sister. I'm baffled as to why you would compare Isaiah Fowler to O.J.

Granted, O.J. has many characteristics of a misogynist, but how do they apply to Isaiah? A family trait maybe? Carried down thru the male lineage? Or, social environment?

However, Justin seems to be doing okay. The last I looked.

[Adub]

Just want to emphasize. That every link, I have linked, goes back to family issues, or cognitive issues. Show me where Isaiah Fowler was special ed and I might give the family a break.