The Jew made sense.

[Duchess]

Now I'm going to have to read back so I can find out what we are disagreeing about.

[HairOfTheDog]

Honestly, as a non-hater and an American citizen, do you really support that letter to Iran, MS?

And, do you not think the elected President of the United States should be able to exercise his Executive powers (in accordance with the Constitution and per protocol) to engage in negotiations with foreign leaders -- namely Iran, the United Kingdom, Russia, China, France and Germany?

[username]

It cracks me up that Congress won't take up the War Power's Act legislation (hot potato, HOT POTATO) and yet, some senators are willing to write/sign a letter to Iran of that nature. You're FUCKED, mother fuckers!!

BiBi is a giant asshole. Boner is around the same sized asshole for inviting him.

Iran is a fucked up country, it's insinuating itself in to Iraq and elsewhere in its supposed attempts to help with fighting Daesh. I don't trust the country (or its leaders) but by the same token, it's looking positively stable compared to other areas in the region. I think there is a time to keep your enemies close and this is one of them.

The idea that we're going to absolutely prevent a country determined to develop nuclear weapons from doing so is sort of ludicrous to me. Look at North Korea. I think if ever there was a time to try to reel in Iran and develop some agreement, the time is now. They're already getting all of our weaponry and shit from Iraq...we might as well try to foster at least some conversation with the towel heads.

BiBi....I don't agree with everything he's done with regards to the Palestinians. Meh...if Iran starts launching scud missiles in to Israel or something, I could see supporting our ally. But this pissing and moaning about a deal that hasn't even been reached yet....fuck him. He's got a nice army. Invade Iran yourself if you're so worried about their capabilities, giant asshole.

The Iranian's have openly said in the past that they'd like Israel wiped off the map. I'm sure BiBi would like Iran (and a large part of the middle east) wiped off the map too...Jews are just a little less inclined to say so.

[Midwest Spy]

I feel it was an extreme measure, yes, however, I also am a proponent of sending Pres Obama and Iran a message that we feel it's not just him that can make policy in regards to this issue.

I know it seems outrageous and disrespectful.

[Duchess]

Washington has been outrageous & disrespectful for a long time. Look around inside the Beltway. Ugh. I understand give & take but those bitches have made a mockery of.

I really dislike people being in positions of power for years & years. Power corrupts, money corrupts.

[HairOfTheDog]

I feel it was an extreme measure, yes, however, I also am a proponent of sending Pres Obama and Iran a message that we feel it's not just him that can make policy in regards to this issue.

I know it seems outrageous and disrespectful.

So, do you think we need to amend the Constitution in regards to how Executive powers are exercised when it comes to international negotiations, and revisit the thousands of others negotiations that were carried out in the same manner by US Presidents that not everyone favored?

Do you think it was wiser to send that unprecedented open letter to the Ayatollah of Iran announcing to the world that the word of any American President is essentially meaningless, rather than wait until there was a proposed deal (negotiated by 7 different world leaders) and go from there IF they objected to the terms of it?

Yeah, it seems outrageous and disrespectful because it was outrageous and disrespectful. But, that's okay -- now those Senators claim they didn't really read the letter, or it was just a joke, or they were only trying to help the President with that display of outrageous disrespect towards the leaders of the US and our negotiating partners and allies.

[Duchess]

now those Senators claim they didn't really read the letter, or it was just a joke, or they were only trying to help the President with that display of outrageous disrespect towards the leaders of the US and our negotiating partners and allies.

Sonofabitch those people suck. I hate they are in Washington under the guise of doing the people's business. They don't speak for me. I wouldn't trust most of them to tell time. Whatta crock of shit they are.

[blueberryhill]

BBH, I'm glad we all kind of respect each other around here, because I couldn't disagree more with you, HotD and Duchess on this issue.

To me, Obama has zero equity built up when it comes to foreign policy in his 6+ years in office.

I actually would not trust him if he was dealing with Bolivia right now.

I'm not a hater though. I don't blame/fault him for much of what other Republicans do when it comes to domestic issues. Congress has cooperated with him very little.

MS, yes, we respect each other. I grew up with Republicans and today I have family and a few friends who are upset with me, but I gotta be me...Frank Sinatra sings here.....
If it is true, that we meet our loved ones in Heaven (yes, I am assuming a lot), my mother will beat the shit out of me for not being a very right wing Repubturd.
I think you can agree that this letter to Iran's Foreign Minister is not the way to enhance foreign policy. It is just like when one parent undermines the discipline of the other parent, end result is a brat who knows how to play his parents. It is not effective. Mr. Bush stirred the hornet's nest in Iraq and I think given his obstacles during his Presidency, Mr. Obama has done his best in the interest of everyone who lives in this country, and hasn't bowed down to special interest groups as much as the other guys.
I was a little taken aback when I just read that even some Republicans think this action is deplorable on the part of the 47 Senators....We need to vote them out....Oh, wait, some were just voted into office....
When a nation like the US looses its credibility, nothing good will ever come from that....Some of our would be allies now know that a majority of politicians will stab them in the back if the price is right. Thus, we are no longer trustworthy and I do think that is a serious issue.
Do you think that Mr. Bush's foreign policies excelled those of our current President? If so, explain.

[Midwest Spy]

I don't believe Bush's foreign policy decisions were smart. Invading Iraq was done for his dad I believe, to complete unfinished business with Saddam.

Afghanistan ended up being a failure. I don't see that he accomplished anything with North Korea or Iran of any significance.

The difference between Bush and Obama to me is the way they represent our country. Bush at least carried himself as the leader of the free world. I feel like O doesn't want that responsibility. He'd like to apologize for us and let others make tough decisions.

He doesn't defend Christianity and seems to embrace and welcome Islam. It's unsettling to me and I'm guessing many millions of Americans.

Maybe I'm all wrong regarding O and his foreign policy capability and trustworthiness.

I really hope I am.

[Duchess]

He doesn't defend Christianity and seems to embrace and welcome Islam. It's unsettling to me and I'm guessing many millions of Americans.

Why should a President have to defend Christianity?

What's wrong with Islam? You don't like it because it belongs to Muslims? It may come as a tremendous surprise to you but many Americans don't actually associate Islam/Muslims with terrorists.

[Midwest Spy]

I don't get caught up in your silly questions anymore.

This country was established with a Christian foundation, but you knew that.

And, until you live with thousands of Muslims in your city, don't talk to me about them.

[FAHQTOO]

He doesn't defend Christianity and seems to embrace and welcome Islam. It's unsettling to me and I'm guessing many millions of Americans.

Why should a President have to defend Christianity?

What's wrong with Islam? You don't like it because it belongs to Muslims? It may come as a tremendous surprise to you but many Americans don't actually associate Islam/Muslims with terrorists.

He should be defending it because he "claims" to be a Christian. If not defending it, he should at least be unbiased about all religion and he isn't. He likes to pick sides with every issue that comes along.

[Duchess]

I don't get caught up in your silly questions anymore.

This country was established with a Christian foundation, but you knew that.

And, until you live with thousands of Muslims in your city, don't talk to me about them.

It's not a silly question. You don't like he doesn't defend Christianity and I'd like to know why. Should he be defending Judaism as well and every other religion of every person in America?

You are lumping all Muslims together. There is no difference than if you lumped all Christians together. We all aren't bible thumping, intolerant people.

[Duchess]

He should be defending it because he "claims" to be a Christian. If not defending it, he should at least be unbiased about all religion and he isn't. He likes to pick sides with every issue that comes along.

I agree that he should be unbiased. Matter of fact, I don't think he should be addressing religion at all.

[Midwest Spy]

I'm lumping in all the dirty Somalis that breed like bunnies, then grow up and want to become terrorists, yes.

"In God We Trust", "One Nation Under God", etc. Are you familiar with those phrases?

I know there are millions like you that would like to see this country lose any identification with God and particularly, Christianity.

We're right on track. You'll get your Islamic States of America in the next 50 years.

[Duchess]

You'll get your Islamic States of America in the next 50 years.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, MS, that's what I'm looking for. Can't wait!

I got exactly what I expected from you.

[sally]

I know there are millions like you that would like to see this country lose any identification with God and particularly, Christianity.

And millions like you who want to push it on everyone.

I agree with Duchess that he shouldn't have to defend or address any religion.

[HairOfTheDog]

He doesn't defend Christianity and seems to embrace and welcome Islam. It's unsettling to me and I'm guessing many millions of Americans.

Why should a President have to defend Christianity?

I don't think your question is silly at all. I think MS doesn't wanna answer questions posed to him in response to his comments because he's afraid of tripping himself up with silly-ass answers. Too bad; back and forth is the foundation upon which discussion boards and forums were established.

Anyway, MS is wrong and easily unsettled, IMO. Not only should the President not have to defend Christianity over other religions; he should avoid doing so if he wants to be in line with the intentions of the Founding Fathers. The US isn't a religious state, FFS, it's a secular one............Thank Christ!

Early American leaders didn't make a deliberate effort to separate church and state for nothing. MS (and several extreme right-wing politicians) might wanna read up a bit on that, along with words on the subject by Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, et all.

Or, maybe just take a gander at the the Treaty of Tripoli from 1797, signed by John Adams, in part stating: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Muslims, like Christians, are guaranteed the right to practice their religion freely in the United States. If they commit crimes, conspire against the state in the name of Islam, engage in terrorist plots or activities, or anything of that nature in the process, they should pay big time in accordance with US law (same for Christians, Jews, and people of any other faith engaged in those types of activities).

[Duchess]

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

Aha! Take that, Mr."In God We Trust", "One Nation Under God", etc. Are you familiar with those phrases?" Bullshit.

[Midwest Spy]

I got just what I expected from all the liberal hens.