FOUR IDAHO STUDENTS MURDERED

[MirahM]

If Dylan saw him at the time of the killing - why so long till police were called?????

She obviously didn't realize what happened. But the affidavit says she locked the door, so she was scared.

Was she the only one left in the house?

[GirlBoss]

If Dylan saw him at the time of the killing - why so long till police were called?????

She obviously didn't realize what happened. But the affidavit says she locked the door, so she was scared.

Was she the only one left in the house?

No Bethany was on 1^st floor/basement bedroom unaware - sounds like he never went to that floor

[MirahM]

Ok.
I just got done reading the full affidavit. Why is it also called burglary? Did he steal something?

[GirlBoss]

Ok.
I just got done reading the full affidavit. Why is it also called burglary? Did he steal something?

Good question, Mirah

Here’s what i believe is significant about it.

The fel burglary is for entering the house - UNINVITED -  with intent to commit a felony ( in this case intent to murder)

[GirlBoss]

Another thing that just gets to me - Murphy - Kaylee’s dog ( along with her ex who now has Murphy) - was barking so hard during the murder , the sound was captured on neighbor’s surveillance video.

Hope he can help comfort all the survivors and loved ones.

[MirahM]

That makes me sad also.
Curious it wasn't just called, "Breaking and entering" but maybe the doors were unlocked. I kind of thought it had a reason like that.

[GirlBoss]

Hmmm maybe so.

Apparently LE source said BK cleaned out car took trash bags to parents neighbor trash can in PA at night with gloves on. As soon as he went inside they confiscated those bags.

I hope they find victim dna in trash/car. But so much time not sure likelihood of it.
Wonder if the car is also being returned to ID?

[Duchess]

I've thought about Xana and her parents so much after learning she was crying. It's haunting to know she was aware on some level.

[GirlBoss]

Re-reading affidavit:

It took him only about 16 minutes to murder 4 people.

Data shows BK went back to murder house to watch house from 9:12-9:21 am the morning of the murder. Omg so creepy - trying to see status, confused because no news reports yet? Trying to get nerve to go back in for sheath or to get Dylan.

I re-looked at house layout and it’s possible he didn’t see Dylan when she saw him.

But also wondering if that’s why the police immediately said targeted attacks since he left Dylan ( and Bethany) alive.

[GirlBoss]

Podcast Sleuths had source provide them link to message board on Tap-Talk from like 10 years ago that’s unconfirmed as BK - however fairly certain it is BK
Hasn’t been logged into since 2012, age, birthdate, email matches other known BK activity online.

It’s a forum about this thing called Visual Snow. He attributes a lot of mental health issues as being caused by it: anxiety/depression.
He is troubled - talks about having no emotion, little remorse, de-personalization. Here’s bloody screams. Feels like he’s watching life removed / like a role-play game.
Talks about being mean to his family especially his dad even though his dad is a really good guy.  Thinks toxins/chemicals in body are causing it - likely reason for switch in diet to vegan.

Forensic psychologist weighed in and said - he’s somaticizing - attributing mental illness to physical issue that’s unrelated.  Instead of confronting mental illness and dealing with trauma ( bullying at a minimum).  And there’s a possibility if he would have had psychiatric intervention at that point, he would not be a murderer.

Here’s a link BK Visual Snow comments

[GirlBoss]

I put together a timeline based on PCA and reliable sources - going to put timeline in separate thread to use as we learn more.
Absolutely chilling to watch the convergence of these victims lives with the killer’s.

[BigMark]

I never let me guard down, yeah it's work but the cops are there to write reports not protect you 99 percent of the time.

[Duchess]

I never let me guard down

SameSameSame. 

[rothschild]

Podcast Sleuths had source provide them link to message board on Tap-Talk from like 10 years ago that’s unconfirmed as BK - however fairly certain it is BK
Hasn’t been logged into since 2012, age, birthdate, email matches other known BK activity online.

It’s a forum about this thing called Visual Snow. He attributes a lot of mental health issues as being caused by it: anxiety/depression.
He is troubled - talks about having no emotion, little remorse, de-personalization. Here’s bloody screams. Feels like he’s watching life removed / like a role-play game.
Talks about being mean to his family especially his dad even though his dad is a really good guy.  Thinks toxins/chemicals in body are causing it - likely reason for switch in diet to vegan.

Forensic psychologist weighed in and said - he’s somaticizing - attributing mental illness to physical issue that’s unrelated.  Instead of confronting mental illness and dealing with trauma ( bullying at a minimum).  And there’s a possibility if he would have had psychiatric intervention at that point, he would not be a murderer.

Here’s a link BK Visual Snow comments

As someone who has decades of first-hand experience with mental health treatment I can tell you that it's deficiencies are why mental health is as poor as physical health. Treatment-oriented healthcare is destructive because there is no incentive for teaching people how to be/get/stay healthy. Even what is considered to be "preventive" is deficient because all it means is early intervention, and does nothing to address the unhealthy lifestyles that have been promoted in our society.

Unhealthy paradigms result in ignorance, which invariably leads to disease, and our "healthcare" industry reaps enormous profits. If that isn't evil then nothing is.

[GirlBoss]

Podcast Sleuths had source provide them link to message board on Tap-Talk from like 10 years ago that’s unconfirmed as BK - however fairly certain it is BK
Hasn’t been logged into since 2012, age, birthdate, email matches other known BK activity online.

It’s a forum about this thing called Visual Snow. He attributes a lot of mental health issues as being caused by it: anxiety/depression.
He is troubled - talks about having no emotion, little remorse, de-personalization. Here’s bloody screams. Feels like he’s watching life removed / like a role-play game.
Talks about being mean to his family especially his dad even though his dad is a really good guy.  Thinks toxins/chemicals in body are causing it - likely reason for switch in diet to vegan.

Forensic psychologist weighed in and said - he’s somaticizing - attributing mental illness to physical issue that’s unrelated.  Instead of confronting mental illness and dealing with trauma ( bullying at a minimum).  And there’s a possibility if he would have had psychiatric intervention at that point, he would not be a murderer.

Here’s a link BK Visual Snow comments

As someone who has decades of first-hand experience with mental health treatment I can tell you that it's deficiencies are why mental health is as poor as physical health. Treatment-oriented healthcare is destructive because there is no incentive for teaching people how to be/get/stay healthy. Even what is considered to be "preventive" is deficient because all it means is early intervention, and does nothing to address the unhealthy lifestyles that have been promoted in our society.

Unhealthy paradigms result in ignorance, which invariably leads to disease, and our "healthcare" industry reaps enormous profits. If that isn't evil then nothing is.

So agree we are failing at caring for mental well-being. the number of mentally ill people in homeless shelters or on the street or in prisons is staggering.

[GirlBoss]

Prelim status hearing for BK is set for ¹⁄₁₂ @ 8 am Pacific Time.

[GirlBoss]

A couple things on my mind from reading affidavit again:

1. Detective talks about id’ing XK by her Drivers License, but doesn’t mention id’ing others with DL’s ( not sure if it was significant or not). A lot of killers take DL’s of victims as souvenir/trophy. Wonder if he took anyone’s DL or any other objects belonging to victims as trophy.

2. At this point, I strongly believe target was Maddie. And that she was first killed. ( knife sheath found beside her. ) I think order of attack was MM, KG, XK, EC but I think XK was still alive/badly hurt when EC killed.

3. A little concerned on BK phone connecting to Moscow tower days after murder when they don’t believe he was there. How do they know this? How will they explain this without discrediting other evidence of location by cell tower. I do think it’s good there’s some video evidence too - at least of car.

4. Having car registered in PA still at time of murder helped in solving. PA doesn’t require license plate on front of car. WA and ID both require plates on front and back, so definitely stood out on video as significant that the front plate was not there in videos.

[GirlBoss]

There’s a lot of chatter on some forums that a user called Papa Rodger who posted in murder forums on FB was BK.

It might be.
Some sources that have generally been pretty credible are now publicly wondering if it could be BK.

Although, in reviewing the comments there are many details that he wrote about murders that are wrong. Like where bodies were etc. - things that were clearly known by police but public didn’t know.
I remain skeptical that it’s him.

[rothschild]

Podcast Sleuths had source provide them link to message board on Tap-Talk from like 10 years ago that’s unconfirmed as BK - however fairly certain it is BK
Hasn’t been logged into since 2012, age, birthdate, email matches other known BK activity online.

It’s a forum about this thing called Visual Snow. He attributes a lot of mental health issues as being caused by it: anxiety/depression.
He is troubled - talks about having no emotion, little remorse, de-personalization. Here’s bloody screams. Feels like he’s watching life removed / like a role-play game.
Talks about being mean to his family especially his dad even though his dad is a really good guy.  Thinks toxins/chemicals in body are causing it - likely reason for switch in diet to vegan.

Forensic psychologist weighed in and said - he’s somaticizing - attributing mental illness to physical issue that’s unrelated.  Instead of confronting mental illness and dealing with trauma ( bullying at a minimum).  And there’s a possibility if he would have had psychiatric intervention at that point, he would not be a murderer.

Here’s a link BK Visual Snow comments

As someone who has decades of first-hand experience with mental health treatment I can tell you that it's deficiencies are why mental health is as poor as physical health. Treatment-oriented healthcare is destructive because there is no incentive for teaching people how to be/get/stay healthy. Even what is considered to be "preventive" is deficient because all it means is early intervention, and does nothing to address the unhealthy lifestyles that have been promoted in our society.

Unhealthy paradigms result in ignorance, which invariably leads to disease, and our "healthcare" industry reaps enormous profits. If that isn't evil then nothing is.

So agree we are failing at caring for mental well-being. the number of mentally ill people in homeless shelters or on the street or in prisons is staggering.

And you have the masses of people who have varying degrees of OCD and/or codependency.

[MirahM]

I assumed identified by license plate if the person's face was messed up? Was there detail about that? It isn't probable, that is just what I thought of.