Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Jane]

it certainly could be! I had thought Jeanette at first, but I think you're right.

[onefortheroad]

I think all of us know without a doubt that Maytee loved her son deeply...none of us think she had anything to do with it at all...she loved him with all of her heart and soul...

however, there is a rumor floating around that her husband got busted with a truck full of heroin and that she turned informant to keep her husband and her out of jail...that maybe someone took revenge on her for snitching on them and going after what she loved most inthe world which was her son...that could be total B.S. but that is what is going around in some of the gangsta circles locally...and that the robbery was secondary... that might have been why she was soooo freaked out with the first phone call...her biggest fear...thinking it was coming to fruition...I totally think that is beyond sad if it is true and almost feel even more sorry for her if it is...

I think you may have mentioned this in an earlier post, and it could fit. Are there any theories as to who might have carried out the murders? And any rumors regarding involvement by TW?

If true, this would be an unbearable burden for a mother to carry, and I agree with you completely.

I just had the most chilling thought .... what if it was part of the plan for his father to find him!!!

yeah, you'd think it would be very unlikely, but if anyone is crazy enough to kill their own child........

still unlikely, but i would put a "robbery gone bad" that maytee set up as much more likely than an intended murder. i mean, who would really believe that lisa's dad would give JC the combination to the safe (if it's even true that JC told people that)? maybe maytee? one RUMOR was that there was $100,000 cash in the safe?

some of her actions and "knowledge" seem suspicious, but she most likely has absolutely nothing to do with this, but....

her not going to the scene initially. was she distancing herself from the crimescene? letting others make the discovery? blaming the "concerned friend" for setting them up for no apparent reason? over the top grieving and threats to the perps? wanting to blame this on someone from lisa's side? sure, there are also possible logical reasonable explanations for all of these things too......

herion, huh? could maytee and tiff have been rival dealers? stealing each others' clients? rumors about being informants or snitches? could maytee have been supplying and johnny "moving" the product?

again, just brainstorming, you would think that if they were THAT involved in dealing drugs, that they wouldn't be living in a trailer (if this is even the case, ha.)

Catch22, I wasn't implying that the mother set up the murders, just speculating that if it was a revenge attack for something she and Johnny's dad had done, it could have been planned that way deliberately so that the parents would be the ones to find the bodies.

[PURPLECATS]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

[Jane]

Can anyone decipher the tattoo on left arm?

Maytee would be proud of his looks for sure!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...57&theater

I can't tell, but it ends with e t t e, & it looks like it starts with a J

I think it says Jamilette.

I think you're right. I did a search on the name Jamilette, & it came up Yamilette, (rodriquez, garcia, blandatino, etc...)

[Jane]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

[TotallyCurious]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

If Maytee knew the car was in the driveway then she knew that
the key and box were in the garage or by the front door, so why
didnt she go in and investigate? Doesn't make sense unless
she damn sure wanted the police to find the bodies. This
woman knew there was something 'stinkin' going on in there
before she got there. IMHO

[Jane]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

If Maytee knew the car was in the driveway then she knew that
the key and box were in the garage or by the front door, so why
didnt she go in and investigate? Doesn't make sense unless
she damn sure wanted the police to find the bodies. This
woman knew there was something 'stinkin' going on in there
before she got there. IMHO

It could be the perps closed the garage door, once they got JC & LS subdued?

[onefortheroad]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

If Maytee knew the car was in the driveway then she knew that
the key and box were in the garage or by the front door, so why
didnt she go in and investigate? Doesn't make sense unless
she damn sure wanted the police to find the bodies. This
woman knew there was something 'stinkin' going on in there
before she got there. IMHO

Where is this going? Are you implying that Maytee set up her son to be murdered?

[Jane]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

If Maytee knew the car was in the driveway then she knew that
the key and box were in the garage or by the front door, so why
didnt she go in and investigate? Doesn't make sense unless
she damn sure wanted the police to find the bodies. This
woman knew there was something 'stinkin' going on in there
before she got there. IMHO

Where is this going? Are you implying that Maytee set up her son to be murdered?

I don't think anyone is implying that.

[LoserCity]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

[esbee]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

I can see where you're going with this but have a different spin on it...

TW had spoken with several people before the 911 call. Ruben (I think), Sharita, Maytee and JC's father on the way over to the house. She would have had to relay the series of events a number of times. This is what, in my mind, makes all the "umm's" during the 911 call so strange.

[onefortheroad]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

Good point!

[Jane]

OK, so John & Lisa pull up in the driveway, they go in the house, via the garage, into the kitchen area, shut the door, Lisa heads on to her room to get changed, the perps have been hiding ?? maybe to the side of the house? or there's a place to hide inside the garage?? They use the same door, to get into the home, & .... ? I go blank here

or - the perps knew when JC was going to pick up Lisa from work, & got into the house, during that time... but it's hard to believe someone would take a chance, either way, while JC was on a phone, talking to someone ?? I need to take a break, my brain is fried, lol

[NightOwl]

Can anyone decipher the tattoo on left arm?

Maytee would be proud of his looks for sure!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...57&theater

I can't tell, but it ends with e t t e, & it looks like it starts with a J

I think it says Jamilette.

Thanks very much everyone! It is so hard to make out, Jamilette would be more Cuban. This is the first time I've ever heard this name.

[Jane]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

Good points made. If Tiffany was involved in a set up, then why would she even make a call to Sharita, in the first place? If she knew what was going down, why not leave it alone, & let someone find the bodies, later? Why would she call anyone ?

[DickTracy]

these photos of the Straub house are courtesy of DickTracy...thankyou~~

except for the one clearly from TV station.

Thank you LC !

thank you for the pix DT

You're welcome!

[catch22]

i finally listened to the first two 911 calls and i was really surprised with how "normal" maytee seemed to me. previously, i had mostly only read the crazy shit she was posting after the fact, but she actually seemed like a normal, intelligent, and genuinely concerned person on those calls.

i think a lot of the misinformation she gave to the dispatcher was basically her filling in the blanks and/or telling the dispatcher whatever she thought would get the police to do SOMETHING.

i think she just mis-spoke several times because of all of the stress she was under, and maybe not really having all of the facts straight herself.

[KarmaK]

I have heard of people say shoot a game of pool when asking a dealer for an eightball of cocaine

[catch22]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

Good points made. If Tiffany was involved in a set up, then why would she even make a call to Sharita, in the first place? If she knew what was going down, why not leave it alone, & let someone find the bodies, later? Why would she call anyone ?

i tend to agree. plus, would she be smart enough to establish her alibi with all of her calls and texts to JC and LS while this was in progress? i have to assume that her story to LE matches their call and text logs and their phone pings. MOST criminals don't put themselves right in the middle of things. instead they try and completely distance themselves from any involvment whatsoever.

[LoserCity]

I am leaning toward believing this was a robbery (that was a total set-up) gone bad. My theory is that the bags were used so that JC and LS couldn't identify their attackers, and they were really just a bunch of amature pill poppers jonesing for some oxy and maybe thought the Straubs had some $ they could take as well. I think TW called Sarita because she wanted her to call police and send someone to the house to "find" the victims - thinking it would all happen in a fast enough time that they (LS & JC) would still be alive and "saved." TW didn't want to call herself because she is still dealing with her case from Oct and didn't want to face police. The murderers, being the well-educated geniuses they are, probably truly believed the bags wouldn't kill LS & JC for a much longer time than it actually takes.

I find it an odd coincidence that LS and TW only became FB friends 10 days before the murders. The only post shown between the two is LS asking TW for her "digits." IF they truly were friends, why wouldn't LS have her # already and why had they just become FB friends?