Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[TotallyCurious]

these photos of the Straub house are courtesy of DickTracy...thankyou~~

except for the one clearly from TV station.

Thank you LC !

I may be wrong then about the garage opening. Is it to the side and back
of the house?

[onefortheroad]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

Good points made. If Tiffany was involved in a set up, then why would she even make a call to Sharita, in the first place? If she knew what was going down, why not leave it alone, & let someone find the bodies, later? Why would she call anyone ?

If she did set them up, there could be cell phone records she'd need to explain or what she was doing in the area earlier, and raising the alarm could give her an alibi and also provide alibis for people known to Johnny & Lisa if she heard Johnny speaking to someone he didn't know.

[onefortheroad]

i finally listened to the first two 911 calls and i was really surprised with how "normal" maytee seemed to me. previously, i had mostly only read the crazy shit she was posting after the fact, but she actually seemed like a normal, intelligent, and genuinely concerned person on those calls.

i think a lot of the misinformation she gave to the dispatcher was basically her filling in the blanks and/or telling the dispatcher whatever she thought would get the police to do SOMETHING.

i think she just mis-spoke several times because of all of the stress she was under, and maybe not really having all of the facts straight herself.

I agree

[onefortheroad]

I have heard of people say shoot a game of pool when asking a dealer for an eightball of cocaine

I'm sure that pool is code for drugs, and wish to hell I could remember where I read it! Does it only mean cocaine though? Could it also mean heroin?

[onefortheroad]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

Good points made. If Tiffany was involved in a set up, then why would she even make a call to Sharita, in the first place? If she knew what was going down, why not leave it alone, & let someone find the bodies, later? Why would she call anyone ?

i tend to agree. plus, would she be smart enough to establish her alibi with all of her calls and texts to JC and LS while this was in progress? i have to assume that her story to LE matches their call and text logs and their phone pings. MOST criminals don't put themselves right in the middle of things. instead they try and completely distance themselves from any involvment whatsoever.

They distance themselves unless there's evidence to prove otherwise, that needs to be accounted for.

[onefortheroad]

I am leaning toward believing this was a robbery (that was a total set-up) gone bad. My theory is that the bags were used so that JC and LS couldn't identify their attackers, and they were really just a bunch of amature pill poppers jonesing for some oxy and maybe thought the Straubs had some $ they could take as well. I think TW called Sarita because she wanted her to call police and send someone to the house to "find" the victims - thinking it would all happen in a fast enough time that they (LS & JC) would still be alive and "saved." TW didn't want to call herself because she is still dealing with her case from Oct and didn't want to face police. The murderers, being the well-educated geniuses they are, probably truly believed the bags wouldn't kill LS & JC for a much longer time than it actually takes.

I find it an odd coincidence that LS and TW only became FB friends 10 days before the murders. The only post shown between the two is LS asking TW for her "digits." IF they truly were friends, why wouldn't LS have her # already and why had they just become FB friends?

Interesting....

[catch22]

OK, so John & Lisa pull up in the driveway, they go in the house, via the garage, into the kitchen area, shut the door, Lisa heads on to her room to get changed, the perps have been hiding ?? maybe to the side of the house? or there's a place to hide inside the garage?? They use the same door, to get into the home, & .... ? I go blank here

or - the perps knew when JC was going to pick up Lisa from work, & got into the house, during that time... but it's hard to believe someone would take a chance, either way, while JC was on a phone, talking to someone ?? I need to take a break, my brain is fried, lol

i agree that this part doesn't totally add up. maybe they didn't realize JC was on the phone? maybe they felt that the caller didn't hear enough to be alarmed enough to call the police? maybe they thought that even if the police were called, it would still probably take them a while to get there, and they wouldn't "do" anything when they got there? or maybe this phone call never happened?

i guess it's possible that the perps were already in the house when JCLS got home, but i'm not leaning that way. i guess it's not too far fetched to think that maybe JCLS weren't activating the alarm system or that the perps somehow knew how to deactivate it.

[HeartBreaker]

Can anyone decipher the tattoo on left arm?

Maytee would be proud of his looks for sure!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...57&theater

I can't tell, but it ends with e t t e, & it looks like it starts with a J

I think it says Jamilette.

i thought the same... Jamilette... which didn't mean anything to me but i see it's a name after doing a google search. old girlfriend???

also... the tattoo on his chest... clearly it's an image of cuba... does the text say "cubano"?

[LoserCity]

I don't think she was smart enough to text and call, but I think her friends who are all robbery experts (according to their rap sheets) have been around the block enough to know what needs to happen to establish an alilbi. She was coached. A willing participant, but coached (IMHO).

Bottom line is that if TW is innocent of any involvement, she needs to stop playing games and state the REAL reason she was meeting/hanging out/talking to JC that night. She makes no quams about posting things like "Let him flip a lil money first" on her FB page, and making it very well known that she's ready to "get down" and "beat dat ass" even at 4 months prego. She is thug enough to put her business out there on FB, so why not here. Its not like they can take her kids away or anything. IMO TW was there to buy or sell from JC. If it was a mere business transaction and nothing more, than say so! It will end a lot of confustion and maybe give her a little more credibility since she won't be so worried about trying to fill in the gaps of her story.

I do not think we can blame TW for the way she acts. She is a product of her environment. Of a crappy city that is one of the "most miserable places to live" according to a recent survey.

[Countryside_Belle]

I am leaning toward believing this was a robbery (that was a total set-up) gone bad. My theory is that the bags were used so that JC and LS couldn't identify their attackers, and they were really just a bunch of amature pill poppers jonesing for some oxy and maybe thought the Straubs had some $ they could take as well. I think TW called Sarita because she wanted her to call police and send someone to the house to "find" the victims - thinking it would all happen in a fast enough time that they (LS & JC) would still be alive and "saved." TW didn't want to call herself because she is still dealing with her case from Oct and didn't want to face police. The murderers, being the well-educated geniuses they are, probably truly believed the bags wouldn't kill LS & JC for a much longer time than it actually takes.

I find it an odd coincidence that LS and TW only became FB friends 10 days before the murders. The only post shown between the two is LS asking TW for her "digits." IF they truly were friends, why wouldn't LS have her # already and why had they just become FB friends?

I remember TW saying that she was friends with JC first, then met Lisa through him.

[onefortheroad]

OK, so John & Lisa pull up in the driveway, they go in the house, via the garage, into the kitchen area, shut the door, Lisa heads on to her room to get changed, the perps have been hiding ?? maybe to the side of the house? or there's a place to hide inside the garage?? They use the same door, to get into the home, & .... ? I go blank here

or - the perps knew when JC was going to pick up Lisa from work, & got into the house, during that time... but it's hard to believe someone would take a chance, either way, while JC was on a phone, talking to someone ?? I need to take a break, my brain is fried, lol

i agree that this part doesn't totally add up. maybe they didn't realize JC was on the phone? maybe they felt that the caller didn't hear enough to be alarmed enough to call the police? maybe they thought that even if the police were called, it would still probably take them a while to get there, and they wouldn't "do" anything when they got there? or maybe this phone call never happened?

i guess it's possible that the perps were already in the house when JCLS got home, but i'm not leaning that way. i guess it's not too far fetched to think that maybe JCLS weren't activating the alarm system or that the perps somehow knew how to deactivate it.

Exactly! The only people who could verify the phone call are dead.

[Adub]

heyyou:
thats funny u say that cause idk if this was already mentioned still reading threw the thread but donald was a (BLOOD)


ALLEGED to be a Blood.

well i do know he was indeed a blood

A blood Interesting. But confusing. Seeing as the gang that seems to be missing him are crips. One way I can tell while scrolling through FB pages is that crips don't use "ck" when writing. They use "cc" instead, so fuck would be fucc (ck stands for crip killer). And they don't use b so b-day would be c-day (b is respecting the bloods, they don't do that). So you say that Corrigan was allegedly a blood....hmmmm...

[esbee]

OK, so John & Lisa pull up in the driveway, they go in the house, via the garage, into the kitchen area, shut the door, Lisa heads on to her room to get changed, the perps have been hiding ?? maybe to the side of the house? or there's a place to hide inside the garage?? They use the same door, to get into the home, & .... ? I go blank here

or - the perps knew when JC was going to pick up Lisa from work, & got into the house, during that time... but it's hard to believe someone would take a chance, either way, while JC was on a phone, talking to someone ?? I need to take a break, my brain is fried, lol

i agree that this part doesn't totally add up. maybe they didn't realize JC was on the phone? maybe they felt that the caller didn't hear enough to be alarmed enough to call the police? maybe they thought that even if the police were called, it would still probably take them a while to get there, and they wouldn't "do" anything when they got there? or maybe this phone call never happened?

i guess it's possible that the perps were already in the house when JCLS got home, but i'm not leaning that way. i guess it's not too far fetched to think that maybe JCLS weren't activating the alarm system or that the perps somehow knew how to deactivate it.

Or maybe they knew who he was on the phone with and were confident that police would not be called?

[onefortheroad]

I am leaning toward believing this was a robbery (that was a total set-up) gone bad. My theory is that the bags were used so that JC and LS couldn't identify their attackers, and they were really just a bunch of amature pill poppers jonesing for some oxy and maybe thought the Straubs had some $ they could take as well. I think TW called Sarita because she wanted her to call police and send someone to the house to "find" the victims - thinking it would all happen in a fast enough time that they (LS & JC) would still be alive and "saved." TW didn't want to call herself because she is still dealing with her case from Oct and didn't want to face police. The murderers, being the well-educated geniuses they are, probably truly believed the bags wouldn't kill LS & JC for a much longer time than it actually takes.

I find it an odd coincidence that LS and TW only became FB friends 10 days before the murders. The only post shown between the two is LS asking TW for her "digits." IF they truly were friends, why wouldn't LS have her # already and why had they just become FB friends?

I remember TW saying that she was friends with JC first, then met Lisa through him.

She probably knew JC first, maybe as a customer or a fellow dealer.

[BoogyWoogy]

the tatt says his mothers name, he would get into fights with his mom, just like alot of the 20 and 21 year old kids out here, he lived with maggy the aunt in his younger yrs, his dad did time for the truck bust but did get out early not sure about m but she was said to be in a gang in younger years, word was she was a snitch so someone could have tried to get her back, as for the girl on fb she use to date the jc a few years back but she moved out of state and all they were was friends, i heard she flew back when all this happened, pretty sure she said that to the person on here that met her, i knew her family and they moved 1200 miles away around 3 or 4 yrs ago, so i think jc was only with ls.

[TotallyCurious]

I have heard of people say shoot a game of pool when asking a dealer for an eightball of cocaine

I'm sure that pool is code for drugs, and wish to hell I could remember where I read it! Does it only mean cocaine though? Could it also mean heroin?

If you check the definition in URBAN DICTIONARY it will give the definition.

[HeartBreaker]

the tatt says his mothers name, he would get into fights with his mom, just like alot of the 20 and 21 year old kids out here, he lived with maggy the aunt in his younger yrs, his dad did time for the truck bust but did get out early not sure about m but she was said to be in a gang in younger years, word was she was a snitch so someone could have tried to get her back, as for the girl on fb she use to date the jc a few years back but she moved out of state and all they were was friends, i heard she flew back when all this happened, pretty sure she said that to the person on here that met her, i knew her family and they moved 1200 miles away around 3 or 4 yrs ago, so i think jc was only with ls.

from looking at pictures... the tattoo on his right arm says maytee... we were trying to figure out what the tattoo on his left arm said. it looks like jamilette but i can't say with certainty. thanks for the other info Boogy!

[LoserCity]

Right. And she knew JC because her friend Sarita's BF was friends with JC.

Ok, so she was friends w/JC first, but were they "friends" or did they just know one another? Friends shop together, go to the bar together, and have lunch together, etc. None of her pics on FB have JC or LS in them. This girl obviously likes to party and if she was "friends" with them, you would think they would be in at least one of the very many pics she has posted. I'm thinking they were not so much of friends as she would like people to believe. Why is this important? Because she doesn't know LS or the Straubs well enough to feel guilty for the set up or robbery.

[TotallyCurious]

I have heard of people say shoot a game of pool when asking a dealer for an eightball of cocaine

I'm sure that pool is code for drugs, and wish to hell I could remember where I read it! Does it only mean cocaine though? Could it also mean heroin?

If you check the definition in URBAN DICTIONARY it will give the definition.

If you look earlier on in the posts, the key word is swimming and swim suit,
pool and water all have drug meanings. I can not recall them all. But it
was in reference to someone who had said, "I was swimming with J yesterday"

[catch22]

the tatt says his mothers name, he would get into fights with his mom, just like alot of the 20 and 21 year old kids out here, he lived with maggy the aunt in his younger yrs, his dad did time for the truck bust but did get out early not sure about m but she was said to be in a gang in younger years, word was she was a snitch so someone could have tried to get her back, as for the girl on fb she use to date the jc a few years back but she moved out of state and all they were was friends, i heard she flew back when all this happened, pretty sure she said that to the person on here that met her, i knew her family and they moved 1200 miles away around 3 or 4 yrs ago, so i think jc was only with ls.

i would think that if either of JC's parents were snitches, that they would most likely be the targets of revenge. then again, they say there is nothing worse that losing a child.....

it seems that the perps were almost definitely connected to JC or LS's inner circle and knew about the house-sitting situation, and siezed that opportunity.

also, i think that the late teens/ early 20's years are rampant for craziness and drama. all these kids are finding their way in the world and doing new things and unfortunately some of these things are incredibly horrible things.

i don't think it's right to directly blame video games and violent tv shows and movies, but when you combine them with drugs, poverty, desperation, no regard for decency nor humanity, thugism, eminem wannabe's, etc. and crazy ass shit seems to happen.......