Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[TotallyCurious]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Again... I pose the question... what would Maytee or John Sr. stand to gain by setting up or concealing the murder of their child?

That is not at all what is being implied. The circumstances offered them
the opportunity to take anything off of his body that might have
been suspicious. Say- keys.....papers.....chain.....any number of
things.

[onefortheroad]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Can you elaborate more? Maybe my brain is getting fried but I don't understand if you're implying that he tried to cover up something by removing evidence, or that the evidence was removed innocently?

Could be either.

Why?

Yes, why???

[Spalding]

They had to have known they were safe, which means Tiffany was part of it. But let's say the perps got in at the same time or shortly after Johnny and Lisa got home, and it was the perps who called Tiffany, not Johnny or Lisa ..... Maybe ZB had told the perps there was a safe and money, and there were some calls back and forth when they couldn't find it.

Another poster said that the killers may have still been in the house the first time the cops came by because the lights and TV were on. If this is true, doesn't that mean that Tiffany is NOT involved because she is the one who initially kicked off the flurry of 911 calls? She would not have jump-started the process if her cohorts were still in the house.

She gave her friends two hours before calling a girl friend. And she did that to give herself an alabi and seem like a caring, concerned of Lisa's and Johnny's.

If she really wasn't involved, she would've called 911 and right away.

I thought somebody had said that wasnt true that the TV and lights were on the first time the cops were there? Does anybody know if thats true or not?

per Tiffanys testimony here the other night, there wasn't a TV or any lights on with the exception oh a hall/stairway light. She was reportedly the 1^st on scene before any LE was involved. Take that for what it's worth, if you believe her story.

Not correct. She was not present the first time the police went to check. If, in fact, the killers were inside the first time the cops went to check, this goes a long way toward exonerating Tiffany of any involvement in this crime. She would have made sure the perps were gone before getting the process (of alerting the cops) started.

[ToledoNative]

I double checked...Lisa and Tiffany became facebook friends on Jan. 21^st, followed by a post from Lisa saying, "whats uppp biaaatch.. i need ur diggies baby lol" then Tiffany posts her phone number and says that she heard "they" (Lisa and Johnny?) were at the minor's house and she wants Lisa to get her a job where Lisa works.

[Freshbait78]

I wish I had asked TW to explain to us what this means in plain English:

"… im a down ass bytch n i ryde 4 my niggas n bytchs......"

What does that phrase actually mean?
What did she intend it to mean, especially the "…i ryde 4…"

Does it have to do with selling drugs?
Does it mean we stick together and are loyal and don't snitch?

I take it to mean loyalty. From the Urban Dictionary:
Ride or Die Chick 4 thumbs up

A female who is willing to stick with you even if death is the ultimate fate of their relationship.

[SayWhat123]

Did anybody ever figure out what the central security document was?

[Freshbait78]

Another poster said that the killers may have still been in the house the first time the cops came by because the lights and TV were on. If this is true, doesn't that mean that Tiffany is NOT involved because she is the one who initially kicked off the flurry of 911 calls? She would not have jump-started the process if her cohorts were still in the house.

She gave her friends two hours before calling a girl friend. And she did that to give herself an alabi and seem like a caring, concerned of Lisa's and Johnny's.

If she really wasn't involved, she would've called 911 and right away.

I thought somebody had said that wasnt true that the TV and lights were on the first time the cops were there? Does anybody know if thats true or not?

per Tiffanys testimony here the other night, there wasn't a TV or any lights on with the exception oh a hall/stairway light. She was reportedly the 1^st on scene before any LE was involved. Take that for what it's worth, if you believe her story.

Not correct. She was not present the first time the police went to check. If, in fact, the killers were inside the first time the cops went to check, this goes a long way toward exonerating Tiffany of any involvement in this crime. She would have made sure the perps were gone before getting the process (of alerting the cops) started.

Negative according to Tiffany, she drove over, rang the door bell & knocked on the door for 5 minutes. It was then after that, that she began making calls, because she thought something may be wrong. Read back throughout this thread, this has been discussed at length.

[ToledoNative]

Did anybody ever figure out what the central security document was?

Central security being the house alarm company.

[Freshbait78]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Again... I pose the question... what would Maytee or John Sr. stand to gain by setting up or concealing the murder of their child?

That is not at all what is being implied. The circumstances offered them
the opportunity to take anything off of his body that might have
been suspicious. Say- keys.....papers.....chain.....any number of
things.

Sorry, still not satisfied. WHY would John Sr. remove anything from the scene, if they weren't involved & if you believe they were involved, I ask what would they have to gain?

[SayWhat123]

Did anybody ever figure out what the central security document was?

Central security being the house alarm company.

Things that make you go HMMMMMM! LOL

[Spalding]

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......

EXACTLY!! So, if this wasn't misinformation from the reporters, then LE has information that throws off the timeline as we "know" it. Does anyone remember something about one of the LE visits to the house and being able to hear the tv and lights on, and then another visit and the tv and lights were off? If so, maybe they believe the murderes were actually still there????

I know of NO official statement saying that but I do have a post from early in the thread stating just that: I submit it here and its date and time and posters name:

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

Here's the deal, if this is true, Tiffany is exonerated, in my opinion. If it's not true, the point is moot.

[ZEROSPHERES]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Again... I pose the question... what would Maytee or John Sr. stand to gain by setting up or concealing the murder of their child?

That is not at all what is being implied. The circumstances offered them
the opportunity to take anything off of his body that might have
been suspicious. Say- keys.....papers.....chain.....any number of
things.

Sorry, still not satisfied. WHY would John Sr. remove anything from the scene, if they weren't involved & if you believe they were involved, I ask what would they have to gain?

There has been Nothing implied or stated here or Officially that John S took anything from that crime scene. Besides a broken heart.

Can't you see the parents as victims here? I sure can.

[SayWhat123]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Again... I pose the question... what would Maytee or John Sr. stand to gain by setting up or concealing the murder of their child?

That is not at all what is being implied. The circumstances offered them
the opportunity to take anything off of his body that might have
been suspicious. Say- keys.....papers.....chain.....any number of
things.

Sorry, still not satisfied. WHY would John Sr. remove anything from the scene, if they weren't involved & if you believe they were involved, I ask what would they have to gain?

I have to agree what would they gain from that. I doubt the dad purposely
compromised the crime scene, if he were going to do that he would have gotten rid of the drug paraphanelia (spelling)

[Nina]

TW must have really been grief stricken over her friend's death......Here is a post from one of her "gangsta bitches" on Feb 3 - "picked up my girl tiff n her luv a.p n we went to tha mall n bought sum more shyt man it feels good to spoil myself" Wonder if TW and her love recently came into some cash? hmmmmmmm

On a photo of that same friend TW makes a comment about the outfit she is wearing.... comments that AP bought the outfit for the friend that took them to the mall on Feb 3........

TW: a.p said hes mad at u he thought he bought that outfit 4 u....he said dat was pose 2 b ur bday present..
FRIEND: Well he was runnin all around n shyt tell em i wanna go to ollive garden..dats my fave
TW: he said okk....let hym flip a lil money

So TW's bf has money to buy his friends clothes and treat them to dinner just a couple days after this robbery/murder.

[onefortheroad]

There has been Nothing implied or stated here or Officially that John S took anything from that crime scene. Besides a broken heart.

Can't you see the parents as victims here? I sure can.

Very well put, zero. TC seems determined to pin this on the parents come hell or high water.

[esbee]

Did anybody ever figure out what the central security document was?

I think the documents were being examined for details of a home safe the killers were desperate to find.

[onefortheroad]

So TW's bf has money to buy his friends clothes and treat them to dinner just a couple days after this robbery/murder. [/b]

This would be the same boyfriend who was "writing a paper" the night of the murders.

[Freshbait78]

There is no saying that there was something on Johnny that
John took when he tried to rescue Johnny. Inside of a
heel, back of a watch. arm of a sunglass......

Again... I pose the question... what would Maytee or John Sr. stand to gain by setting up or concealing the murder of their child?

That is not at all what is being implied. The circumstances offered them
the opportunity to take anything off of his body that might have
been suspicious. Say- keys.....papers.....chain.....any number of
things.

Sorry, still not satisfied. WHY would John Sr. remove anything from the scene, if they weren't involved & if you believe they were involved, I ask what would they have to gain?

There has been Nothing implied or stated here or Officially that John S took anything from that crime scene. Besides a broken heart.

Can't you see the parents as victims here? I sure can.

No offense but DUH! That's my point!!! I'm looking at the Clarkes as victims & always have been although it's been hard because of the way Maytee has publicly carried on. I DO see them as victims which is why I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would choose to think that the Clarkes in any way concealed evidence of the crime scene or took part in the set up or murder of their child which has been implied here over & over again!

[LoserCity]

So TW's bf has money to buy his friends clothes and treat them to dinner just a couple days after this robbery/murder. [/b]

This would be the same boyfriend who was "writing a paper" the night of the murders.

Hell-O...Not until after he "flipped a lil money" first. Geeze, you act like it was dirty money or something. Oh, wait.....

[esbee]

On LS Injustice page:
Maytee's niece"

"Maytee may have made "mistakes" but who didnt and who are you to judge her?? that was BEFORE she had kids when she was a teenager...? "

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I'll be this is what really has Maytee pissed off even more, the JVM page shows Maytee's rapsheet, and it is obvious from the dates she was extremely actively doing drugs and a lot of criminal behavior when Johnny was about 9 or 10 yrs old, not before she had kids like the niece says

This is why I earlier asked about expunging records. I wish I could figure out if Maytee's illegal activities slowed down or if they continued but were expunged as part of a plea deal or in exchange for information.