Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[heartbreaker6713]

if they did, they shouldn't have taken the marker though, that is creepy, and that makes it seem like something more to me!

I don't like admitting this but after some thought I think there was probably a time in my life, as a teen, that I may have done something like that if the person was my dear friend. It's awful & certainly disrespectful but I can see a friend doing that.

Do you think thought that you'd do it if it were a highly watched/talked about case? Or such a brutal crime? mmmmm as I'm typing this i'm playing this out in my head and thinking back and trying to put myself back in the day( i grew up in detroit and teenagers don't die from many non violent ways there sadly) so that doesn't leave you many options to take it under. But feel free to answer if you still think you'd take it knowing how fresh these killings were and that they haven't been solved.

[purplepegasus]

Not that this helps much, but the police have been into home depot and menards and wanted any info and all transactions for duct tape bought around the time of the murder.

Also, I doubt Maytee even knows what a rosary is, so that may be her description. My first instinct was it was someone feeling grief for the family and left it as a comfort. Another thought I had was that Maytee pissed someone the fuck off with her voodoo shit on facebook and they put it there.

I watched the video and this woman is just so strange to me, like she forces her grief, like she has to put on an act for the camera. No doubt she's hurting, but she seems so fake. Her mind immediately jumps to being targeted every. damn. time. It really gives me this feeling that she knows someone was out to get her family for something either she, her husband, or her son were involved in. She says something to the effect of do you have to keep rubbing it in our face? I really think she sets herself up for criticism.

[cjcisneros]

drats !!!!!! change the page already !

[Nina]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but since you ASKED - then my answer is "yes" - if all you can contribute is gossip that would be laughable if not for the seriousness of these murders, then Yes please just read and don't contribute any more ridiculous scenarios. Like this kid's DAD is going to pull over for a little nooky while his son might be in trouble. Anything at all is possible of course, but there are actually parents with criminal records that love their kids. There are lots of reasons why the dad might have rode with her - maybe his license is suspended, maybe his car wasn't working, maybe he'd been drinking, maybe he didn't know where LS lived, maybe he was nervous as hell that something happened to his son......the very least plausible and supportable theory is that something was going on between him and TW......WTF???

[Jane]

Article with video attached from Maytees interview last night

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=14206591

thanks for posting this, FB!!

[Freshbait78]

Also, I doubt Maytee even knows what a rosary is, so that may be her description.

I disagree with this. Maytee had a picture posted on FB shortly after Johnnys funeral, it looked like a diningroom table to me with a set up, pictures, candles, flowers etc & on one of the pictures of Johnny she has a rosary drapped over the picture. If she has a rosary, chances are good she's catholic & if she owns a rosary, chances are good she knows what it's called.

[purplepegasus]

Also, I doubt Maytee even knows what a rosary is, so that may be her description.

I disagree with this. Maytee had a picture posted on FB shortly after Johnnys funeral, it looked like a diningroom table to me with a set up, pictures, candles, flowers etc & on one of the pictures of Johnny she has a rosary drapped over the picture. If she has a rosary, chances are good she's catholic & if she owns a rosary, chances are good she knows what it's called.

I thought she was a witch? Catholics don't talk that crap she spews all over facebook. Good point about one being in a picture though, it's just such an odd description. A rope with beads. I'd think she'd be familiar with mardi gras beads too.

[LytoMe]

Johnny's mom went to his gravesite and his grave marker was stolen!!!!! It was a tempory marker. A rope with beads was wrapped around neck of angel at gravesite

That is mean and cruel. I hate to hear something like that.

After watching the video, does anyone else think she could have done this to get on the news? I have heard MANY times on this thread that she loves attention, SO what makes you think she DID NOT do this herself, and then blamed others to get on the news? NO TEARS, NOTHING! She seemed to have a dialogue all ready!!

[Jane]

I believe that the gravemarker was indeed stolen. I don't think it was the perps. I think it was some hoodlum kids that like thousands of us think Maytee is hurting others with her behavior. I strongly believe that the beads were simply beads. Beads placed on the angel rather than just laying them on the ground. If you go to gravesites there are hundreds of momentos that people leave including strands of beads and rosarys and they are usually hung on something. I think Maytee is overreacting about the beads. She is indeed a victim but she enjoys playing the victim role. Some people do. I think the police took the beads in for fingerprints becuz Maytee probably threw a fit. We all know she had to go apeshit and demand that LE test them JMO

I agree with all of the above!

[Freshbait78]

I thought she was a witch? Catholics don't talk that crap she spews all over facebook. Good point about one being in a picture though, it's just such an odd description. A rope with beads. I'd think she'd be familiar with mardi gras beads too.

I agree but you know on her posts one minute she's telling people to swallow their tongues & the next she's blessing people so she may have been catholic at one time & just not practicing now or..... who knows? I agree also that most people would know what Mardi Gras beads are & describe them as such, which is why I think there's a possibility that maybe it was actually one of those bracelets or necklaces made of hemp rope that often times have beads on them. I would describe that as beads on a rope. It would also probably be easier to wrap hemp rope around a statue multiple times as opposed to mardi gras beads.

[Jane]

wow...finally caught up AGAIN...only to be backlogged again very soon! ha!
i just had a couple of things:

I would put no thought into the LCSO sgt. retiring, tons of our public servants are going to be retiring because of the union busting governor that we have (yay!) in Ohio that is breaking the unions, which is going to affect the retirement, pay, promotion, pension, etc of everybody!!

and while as disrespectful as the comments seemed from the LCSO sgt. you have to put them in perspective. He was talking to the trustees of HOLLAND. an upper to upper middle class suburb where people come for "good schools" ...big houses in developments... soccer clubs.... brownie troops... stay at home moms... he was wanting to put those type of people at ease. so if you immediatly throw up the gangs, drugs, prison, criminal history, etc.... you make certain people feel safe. Certain people like the upper middle class mentalilty...it won't happen to me types...feel safe. (hope that makes sense!)

I think it's becoming more and more clear, with what has been posted on here, other websites and what we already know as true that they, LE, don't have a strong case against anyone yet. I read something that said LE had no motive for the crime. maybe that's just purposeful misinformation...who knows.

I do know for a fact that LE is becoming very irritated and "less patient" every day with Maytee. They, LE, have stated that she is mucking things up for them and muddying the waters, so to speak.

thanks for posting this! I understood this as well, that the Sgt was speaking to residents of Holland. Makes sense to me.

[purplepegasus]

I thought she was a witch? Catholics don't talk that crap she spews all over facebook. Good point about one being in a picture though, it's just such an odd description. A rope with beads. I'd think she'd be familiar with mardi gras beads too.

I agree but you know on her posts one minute she's telling people to swallow their tongues & the next she's blessing people so she may have been catholic at one time & just not practicing now or..... who knows? I agree also that most people would know what Mardi Gras beads are & describe them as such, which is why I think there's a possibility that maybe it was actually one of those bracelets or necklaces made of hemp rope that often times have beads on them. I would describe that as beads on a rope. It would also probably be easier to wrap hemp rope around a statue multiple times as opposed to mardi gras beads.

Good thought...and that would make me think it might have been something from a grieving friend, being made of hemp and all.

[NightOwl]

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this is important in clearing Lisa's name. if anyone can find a criminal record on Lisa i would like to see it. not that it would warrant her murder.

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Mr. Verbosky said Ms. Straub's parents, Jeff and MaryBeth Straub, were upset by the comments, which were reported in the Holland-Springfield Journal. The sergeant told trustees that Ms. Straub had been arrested five times, including four times for "drug-related charges" -- a statement Mr. Verbosky said isn't true. "She had a DUI when she was 18, and she had a criminal mischief when she was under 18," Mr. Verbosky, her uncle, said.

He said her family had no reason to believe Ms. Straub had "gang connections." Her parents, who were on a Caribbean cruise when their daughter was killed, would never have left if they felt her life was in danger, Mr. Verbosky said.

He said a reward fund started by the Straub family at Fifth Third Bank branches has grown to $17,000. He said they plan to "cap" it at $20,000, adding that he thinks it can help solve the case.

The only record I found, and that was weeks ago, was with Sylvania courts

http://courtsvr.sylvaniacourt.com/

A DUI on 1/28/10. And I did plug her name in all the other municipal courts. Sylvania is also where her ex-bf can be found.

Thanks for your recent input LC. Much appreciated.

Ditto to above! Lady Cop what is criminal mischief?

[AriGold]

I s that how you see it? its a FACT that TW picked him up
you can read what ever you want into it

not gossip when it is fact she picked him up fact there is unaccounted for time n both it is thought drugs played a part n tw was involved some how? Keeping jc Sr away for a Lil longer to ensure safe get away and a reason for maytee to be upset with TW come on too many things there to be gossip! N I can have my opinion too its not as crazy as some other ideas

It is fact that TW picked up John Sr & drove him to the Straubs. It is NOT fact that they fucked in the backseat of a car. & Did the minor watch? Film it? Do you see how rediculous this is? Based off of TW giving JohnSr a ride, it is then somehow fact that they must have known eachother prior to this night? That they must have some sort of secret relationship? That's bullshit.

And what does this mean "Keeping jc Sr away for a Lil lkonger to ensure safe get away and a reason for maytee to be upset with TW" ? A safe get away? Ummm pretty sure the 2 hours that TW waited to alert anyone of her concern was plenty of time for a safe getaway. I don't think she needed to go pick up John Sr & seduce him to buy anyone more time. I'm also pretty sure that Maytee was pissed at TW for waiting so long to alert anyone of her concerns about that last supposed phone call.

We don't know it was 2 hours, first. Never said she DID fuck him in the backseat just an idea because of accounted for time. Second and who said Mr. Minor was with them I've never saw that and like I said u don't know a secret relationship is gossip! But maybe u can't take a hint!

We don't know it was 2 hours? OK well Tiffany said that she last talked to JC at 11 pm. Maytee called 911 just after 1 am. Looks like 2 hours to me. Second you can have all the ideas you'd like, that doesn't make them fact. What it makes them are ideas, rumors, gossip.

Gossip n. Rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature.

Rumor n. A report of uncertain origin and accuracy; hearsay.

Idea n. A opinion, conviction, or principal

Here's the BIG difference....

Fact n. Information presented as true and accurate

Ohhhh weeeee, busting out the dictionary!

[Jane]

if they did, they shouldn't have taken the marker though, that is creepy, and that makes it seem like something more to me!

I don't like admitting this but after some thought I think there was probably a time in my life, as a teen, that I may have done something like that if the person was my dear friend. It's awful & certainly disrespectful but I can see a friend doing that.

Do you think thought that you'd do it if it were a highly watched/talked about case? Or such a brutal crime? mmmmm as I'm typing this i'm playing this out in my head and thinking back and trying to put myself back in the day( i grew up in detroit and teenagers don't die from many non violent ways there sadly) so that doesn't leave you many options to take it under. But feel free to answer if you still think you'd take it knowing how fresh these killings were and that they haven't been solved.

I agree with Duchess. I even tend to think the marker may have been taken by an ex-girlfriend of JC. It could have been a number of folks/friends who wanted the marker. I don't think the perps took it.

[Freshbait78]

Good thought...and that would make me think it might have been something from a grieving friend, being made of hemp and all.

Could be. The thing that bothers me about the hemp is, that it isn't a particulary "gangsta" thing to wear. More hippy-ish. I could see maybe one of LS's friends wearing hemp, not JC. Who knows. I hate it when they leave out little details like that. It wouldn't have been hard to say what kind of "beads on a rope" But because they leave that out, we could sit around all day discussing it lol & at the end of the day, it really doesn't even matter what kind. *SIGH*

[kitty1]

I believe that the gravemarker was indeed stolen. I don't think it was the perps. I think it was some hoodlum kids that like thousands of us think Maytee is hurting others with her behavior. I strongly believe that the beads were simply beads. Beads placed on the angel rather than just laying them on the ground. If you go to gravesites there are hundreds of momentos that people leave including strands of beads and rosarys and they are usually hung on something. I think Maytee is overreacting about the beads. She is indeed a victim but she enjoys playing the victim role. Some people do. I think the police took the beads in for fingerprints becuz Maytee probably threw a fit. We all know she had to go apeshit and demand that LE test them JMO

I agree with all of the above!

I love how we agree on so many things Jane!!

[Freshbait78]

Ohhhh weeeee, busting out the dictionary!

You do know that I thought of you as I was typing that Ari right?

[Lady Cop]

Nightowl asked about criminal mischief:

A crime against property; the willful damaging of the property of another. Punishable in a criminal court but may also be dealt with as a civil tort. Such offenses may include throwing rocks through windows, spray painting graffiti, slashing car tires, or other acts of vandalism.

[kitty1]

We don't know it was 2 hours? OK well Tiffany said that she last talked to JC at 11 pm. Maytee called 911 just after 1 am. Looks like 2 hours to me. Second you can have all the ideas you'd like, that doesn't make them fact. What it makes them are ideas, rumors, gossip.

Gossip n. Rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature.

Rumor n. A report of uncertain origin and accuracy; hearsay.

Idea n. A opinion, conviction, or principal

Here's the BIG difference....

Fact n. Information presented as true and accurate
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Ohhhh weeeee, busting out the dictionary!
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I guess that's better than a thesaurus. I hate when I have to get my damn thesaurus out. Thesaurus " treasury of words"