(03-09-2011, 12:49 AM)fabulous Wrote: but I must have missed something...what did the friend of the detective say?
I'll say it again just so I don't get shit for being a hypocrite lol This is 3rd party info The friend of the detective told my brother pretty much what others who claim to have insider info have stated. DC comes to mind off the top of my head, that Lisas condition was worse than what was officially stated. This is where the tongue cutting or cut out came from & also he told my brother that she was sexually assaulted. I can't bring myself to use the word rape. Especially if I don't know for certain if it's true.
I know there have been some people who keep talking about the knives that were seized as evidence & the assumption that JC or LS must have stabbed one of the perps. I haven't argued this but if true that Lisa had cuts or her tongue was cut out... This may be why the knives were taken into evidence. This may also indicate that any blood found in the house may not belong to the perps at all.
ok..thanks for repeating AGAIN..sorry..I had read that before.
I don't mind repeating it, just wanted to be clear that it was 3rd party info so I can't say that it's fact, especially when I've been on here today giving people shit LOL
(03-09-2011, 12:15 AM)FutileResistance Wrote: THANKS, to LC for defending the men and women who serve and protect all of our communities daily. I think those of us related to members in law enforcement were quietly stewing at the consistent, and grossly reckless opinions being stated about law enforcement as a whole. Especially the misinformation being put out their in reference to local officers who are working hard to solve this horrific crime that we all are discussing. Granted, there are bad apples in every occupation but this is magnified when it deals with law enforcement but has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Because these men and women are held to a higher standard within our communities. I believe with the recent press release, it is obvious to surmise that this Sergeant spoke on behalf of himself and was out of line (A Bad Apple). He obviously did not speak for those who are involved in this case or even had any pertinent information that was factual. His remarks not only damaged his department, but likely infuriated and hurt the families. It is apparent he stands alone with his irresponsible remarks. Happy retirement!
We have an innate curiosity as to this case, which fuels our minds with theories so that speculation and possible facts may create better picture of this trivial puzzle. We (the general public) are not entitled to every bit of information/evidence gathered by detectives during an ongoing investigation. I think we can all agree that there is a lot more, that we all do not know in terms of evidence. Which I am totally fine with, because it only assists the cause of law enforcement to do their jobs without any hindrance. The only people who have the true “inside scoop” are investigators who are working on the case. Which should really worry the uneducated low life’s who committed this crime. Not making consistent public statements proves to me that these officers are working hard to solve this case, and not worried about their 15 minutes of fame. I respect that as much as I do the family who has taken the high road in this case!
As for the hysterical rants of someone accusing this forum of undermining justice for these victims on another site. I beg to differ with that irrational opinion. For the most part, I believe this forum has been a productive resource for many of us. It is obvious that many members who have participated in this discussion (except for a few) take great care in respecting the nature of this investigation, the victims, and their families. The occasional joke is okay to relieve a little tension or monotony as well. We all need the break from the chaos.
I have yet to see someone on Mock go into an irrational tirade about vengeance or bluntly make false accusations against innocent persons who may or not may be involved in this particular crime. There has been more than a fair amount of neutral behavior and respect as to facts over drama. Public records speak for themselves! The grass is definitely greener on Mock that it is on those ridiculous facebook pages begging for attention and making invalid threats instead of focusing on their false claims of wanting justice!
(03-08-2011, 08:36 PM)Methusala Wrote: … if the Sheriff's Office is ever successful in putting together a case which can hold water in the eyes of the Lucas County Prosecutor's Office, which handles all felony cases for the entire county of both incorporated and incorporated areas, then we will be able to look forward to an able prosecution.
Julia Bates is a tough and competent Prosecutor, and in the early years of her first term, she was successful in re-opening and prosecuting many cold, and sometimes bizarre, homicide cases to successful conclusions, convictions and imprisonment or execution.
Here's a little bit of information on the Lucas County Prosecutor Julia Bates, and her staff:
The murders took place on a Sunday night, right? The perps weren't from the area, so I think they could have brought the tape from their own home, had some in the car already (from other crimes), or bought it somewhere local to where they lived before they set out on their mission.
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On Sunday...
Sams Club closes at 6pm
Menards closes at 8pm
Home Depot closes at 7pm
Walmart is the closest place that is open 24⁄7
They could have got it earlier on, but I highly doubt it. However, I agree with your comment onefortheroad.
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment."
Sympathy yes, and yes also on a lot of questions that need to be answered. Like knowing there was a garage key, and knowing that someone set her son up.
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In my opinion there was a garage key. If you look at the pictures of the house from the back there is a door leading into the garage. It's hard to see, but there is one there. I think that's where people would go outside to smoke.
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment."
(03-08-2011, 06:49 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: No disrespect to the victims, but it sounds like you and Red Green might have something in common, Freshbait. In case you haven't heard of him before, he's a huge fan of duct tape
LOL thanks for the video, I had not heard of Red Green but we could probably be friends
I found ZEBRA striped duct tape at Walmart. I'm wallpapering my bathroom with it LOL I'll post pictures when I'm done (you can't even tell it's tape). Obviously duct tape doesn't give me the heevey geevies.... but I do look at it a little differently now.
Glad to hear you are not afraid of duct tape LOL ZEBRA everything is hot right now. Good for you!
(03-08-2011, 06:49 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: No disrespect to the victims, but it sounds like you and Red Green might have something in common, Freshbait. In case you haven't heard of him before, he's a huge fan of duct tape
LOL thanks for the video, I had not heard of Red Green but we could probably be friends
I found ZEBRA striped duct tape at Walmart. I'm wallpapering my bathroom with it LOL I'll post pictures when I'm done (you can't even tell it's tape). Obviously duct tape doesn't give me the heevey geevies.... but I do look at it a little differently now.
Glad to hear you are not afraid of duct tape LOL ZEBRA everything is hot right now. Good for you!
Thanks! It was my daughters choice, she wanted a Zebra bathroom & I wasn't willing to commit to wall paper or paint. Surprisingly the tape works & doesn't look like shit
(03-08-2011, 07:07 PM)aileen Wrote: I will tell you honestly, since this crime, I normally have all my plastic grocery bags stuffed into a baggy keeper(for lack of a better name) which hangs on a cabinet door in my kitchen. Since this happened, I kept getting a sick/creepy feeling whenever I would grab one out. I thought to myself...I shouldn't keep these out like this!! And then I HID my duct tape! lol Am I the only one who now finds these items unsettling to have in their home??? Or am I just losing it....
Puts a new perspective to "would you prefer paper or plastic"...
Lets go green and forget plastic and use re-useable shopping bags - no more plastic bags in my door.
(03-08-2011, 02:59 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I thought she was a witch? Catholics don't talk that crap she spews all over facebook. Good point about one being in a picture though, it's just such an odd description. A rope with beads. I'd think she'd be familiar with mardi gras beads too.
I agree but you know on her posts one minute she's telling people to swallow their tongues & the next she's blessing people so she may have been catholic at one time & just not practicing now or..... who knows? I agree also that most people would know what Mardi Gras beads are & describe them as such, which is why I think there's a possibility that maybe it was actually one of those bracelets or necklaces made of hemp rope that often times have beads on them. I would describe that as beads on a rope. It would also probably be easier to wrap hemp rope around a statue multiple times as opposed to mardi gras beads.
She answers your questions directly on the justice prevails page
this is on the RIP page, a tat Johnny's best friend 'T' got in his memory.
my son's best friend since grade school died unexpectedly this past Autumn, and it was a crushing terrible loss for him. seeing my grown son cry his heart out, i can understand that pain Johnny's friend must feel. people that age aren't supposed to die.
(03-09-2011, 12:15 AM)FutileResistance Wrote: THANKS, to LC for defending the men and women who serve and protect all of our communities daily. I think those of us related to members in law enforcement were quietly stewing at the consistent, and grossly reckless opinions being stated about law enforcement as a whole. Especially the misinformation being put out their in reference to local officers who are working hard to solve this horrific crime that we all are discussing. Granted, there are bad apples in every occupation but this is magnified when it deals with law enforcement but has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Because these men and women are held to a higher standard within our communities. I believe with the recent press release, it is obvious to surmise that this Sergeant spoke on behalf of himself and was out of line (A Bad Apple). He obviously did not speak for those who are involved in this case or even had any pertinent information that was factual. His remarks not only damaged his department, but likely infuriated and hurt the families. It is apparent he stands alone with his irresponsible remarks. Happy retirement!
We have an innate curiosity as to this case, which fuels our minds with theories so that speculation and possible facts may create better picture of this trivial puzzle. We (the general public) are not entitled to every bit of information/evidence gathered by detectives during an ongoing investigation. I think we can all agree that there is a lot more, that we all do not know in terms of evidence. Which I am totally fine with, because it only assists the cause of law enforcement to do their jobs without any hindrance. The only people who have the true “inside scoop” are investigators who are working on the case. Which should really worry the uneducated low life’s who committed this crime. Not making consistent public statements proves to me that these officers are working hard to solve this case, and not worried about their 15 minutes of fame. I respect that as much as I do the family who has taken the high road in this case!
As for the hysterical rants of someone accusing this forum of undermining justice for these victims on another site. I beg to differ with that irrational opinion. For the most part, I believe this forum has been a productive resource for many of us. It is obvious that many members who have participated in this discussion (except for a few) take great care in respecting the nature of this investigation, the victims, and their families. The occasional joke is okay to relieve a little tension or monotony as well. We all need the break from the chaos.
I have yet to see someone on Mock go into an irrational tirade about vengeance or bluntly make false accusations against innocent persons who may or not may be involved in this particular crime. There has been more than a fair amount of neutral behavior and respect as to facts over drama. Public records speak for themselves! The grass is definitely greener on Mock that it is on those ridiculous facebook pages begging for attention and making invalid threats instead of focusing on their false claims of wanting justice!
In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.
(03-09-2011, 09:30 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.
According to another local mock member the DNA came back and it was only Lisa's DNA and it was blood not semen!
(03-09-2011, 09:30 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.
I was told ....Lisa's shirt was off, but she was not sexually assaulted. The person who told me, is a relative of Lisa's. I don't think this person is lying, but there has been so many conflicting stories. I agree with LC, we won't find out the truth until there is a trial.
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment."
i was bored and looking at avatars. I about pissed my pants when i saw this!!!
Thanks! It was my daughters choice, she wanted a Zebra bathroom & I wasn't willing to commit to wall paper or paint. Surprisingly the tape works & doesn't look like shit 
on the justice prevails page 
