Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Sonny223]

Ok, but I still don't see the motive of doing this crime for some op's. Now kitty1, I have read you knew the victims, I just don't see JC booming out any volume of these "green beans". I did see however, that the Monroe doctor who had 1 to many patients, did just get busted, along with doctor Hall a few years back, who both were suppling the whole Ohio area of opiates for cheap. Now with that connect gone, the dealers are out money, and the plenty more hooked junkies are going crazy, more violence, home invasions, robberies, bank heists. Not enough product now, supply and demand.

[Teacher]

Jealousy?
Revenge?
Snitching?
Paid hit?
Desperate for drugs (re Sonny's supply vs. demand )

[truth be told]

I had a theory about a thousand pages back. Isn't it possible that Lisa and Johnny were involved? Not in their own death, of course, but in setting up a robbery. Maybe Johnny or Johnny and Lisa said "come hit this house...there is alot of stuff here you could fence" Maybe they said "tie us up to make it look real" then Lisa's parents would really believe it.

I know it sounds crazy but this scenario has actually crossed my mind but with sutttle differences. IMO-If Johnny and Lisa would have even considered something so risky, they would have had a partner in crime that they trusted. When I say trusted- I mean "someone who knew the system and what sort of things to do and how to answer questions properly when cops show up....this would not have been a shit ball south end gangster." However, I don't believe that Lisa would have fallen for such a drastic dangerous stunt in her own parents home. Johnny on the other hand, lived in the edge and never back down from a dare. This crazy scenario would not that far from the normal day to day life of "what Johnny has seen while growing up."

[NightOwl]

pspence... think about this ... if they had mask of some kind on then why would TW statement that Johnny said "Bro what are you doing here" or something of that nature.. make any sense. If she was actually on the phone with him and was approached by someone in a mask he wouldnt have said that. He would have known it was a robbery like any of us would have. IMO

concerned, I agree here! I think if it was a friend Johnny would have said hey bro - or hey bro whats up type of slang talk they have going - from what TW has stated it sounds like a stranger almost - possibly suprised by the visitor Johnny tells TW I'll call you back. It's a real sick twisted Devil I think we are dealing with - is it a stranger? to Johnny here but, not a stranger to Lisa. Only my opinion.

[Nina]

I am certain that LC has talked to a lot more people than me in regards to this case and I agree that we should not have tunnel vision about who the killers might be but for discussion sake......I have also chatted with people from the area that claim to know some of these people (alphabet gang) and they are certain that the killers ARE in that group. I don't know these people personally so I can't "vouch" for them but I know that they DO personally know some of the possible suspects we've discussed. I think if any of these people LC or I have talked to knew FOR SURE who did this (and were not going on personal opinion or local rumor),there would have already been arrests and reward money collected.

[truth be told]

This may be a bit off topic but the movie "The Rocker" has a girl in it who really resembles Lisa. Her name is Emma Stone and she plays the teen bass player in the band. This goofy movie was on TV last week...They could be twins.


http://youtu.be/iV0tBo6UPoo


http://youtu.be/rF_Gf26aIzg

[NightOwl]

(Post 14853) Kitty1, Well this was an awful lot of work this theory I do know that much! The whole idea spells too much work for robbers - carrying out t.v. sets, computers way too much work in freezing cold weather and then what were they going to use to haul the junk away? All that stuff is out - pills and money only to-day.

Too far fetched but, I enjoyed the read!

[NightOwl]

Lady Cop, Can the Medical Examiner determine if Pepper Spray or Wasp Killer was sprayed in Johnny or Lisa's eyes? also a Taser would it leave marks on the human body? Thank-you!

[Duchess]

the affluent area..

I read someone else refer to that area as "richville" & now I read you call it affluent. I don't see that at all, I see average, middle class. It's a nice home in a nice 'hood but to say it's an affluent area would be an exaggeration.

[Lady Cop]

Lady Cop, Can the Medical Examiner determine if Pepper Spray or Wasp Killer was sprayed in Johnny or Lisa's eyes? also a Taser would it leave marks on the human body? Thank-you!

yes, the redness and chemical traces would be present.

and a taser does leave marks, like little burn marks.

[Duchess]

Vampire!

[NightOwl]

Lady Cop, Can the Medical Examiner determine if Pepper Spray or Wasp Killer was sprayed in Johnny or Lisa's eyes? also a Taser would it leave marks on the human body? Thank-you!

yes, the redness and chemical traces would be present.

and a taser does leave marks, like little burn marks.

Thanks very much!

[Snoopy]

Here is the source of that information about wires being cut I think it was never stated by LE or the Blade...I submit this from unknown

[color=#DAA520]Unknown - 02-06-2011 05:00 PM

Newer white econ van seen outside the house a day or two before, neighbors say. Perps cut the telephone alarm either the night of the killings or prior days. Go in through the garage into the kitchen where johnny and Lisa are. Johnny grabs a knife, Lisa freaks out and runs down the hall to the front of the house and up the stairs possibly hitting the alarm.

How does this person know all of this is my question!?

Agreed, this is speculation, from unknown's point of view, as you see in the last line, they said "possibly hitting the alarm". Many of us have theories and have offered some interesting and very plausible ideas of how this crime happened. I do respect Unknowns theory, but unless it is confirmed through an official source that the alarm wires had been cut, I personally will not consider this to be factual information, although I keep an open mind to it !

[truth be told]

Now were the neighbors awoken by flashing lights and possibly sirens. Neighbors had to peek out the window to see what's going on. Someone had to see something, come on

I totally agree that at least one neighbor had to have seen or heard something out of the norm. Lights and sirens-No way. Deputies were responding to check the safety of the couple so there was no sense of urgency...So I can garantee that the 9-11 dispatcher told the units to respond "code-2." Which means "no lights and no sirens and obey all traffic lights and stops." Now when the bodies were discovered, then deputies and emts would have been dispatched "code-3"...lights, sirens and run all traffic lights.


Even with the law out at the house twice I think would have gotten a few neighbors up...they are probably scared shit-less to open their mouth.

[pplrcrazy]

I think the bottom line is.. Johnny and Lisa knew their killers or knew of them from other people.. Im not sure if Ag and TW had something to do with this but I will say that I think if they didn't set this up or weren't involved I'm pretty sure they know who was.. If you have looked at FB which Im sure most of you have, then you can clearly see that everyone knows everyone and everyone in some way or another has a problem with someone.. ( hope your following that.) When I read their FB pages its all about he said she said and who is " snitchin." These people know more than what they are telling and Im not sure anyone is going to tell, out of fear.. Whoever did this thought this through very well and Im sure this person is "king pin" to all these other little hoodrats and so therefore no one is going to "snitch." I think this had to do with pure hate for Johnny and they wanted something that they thought was in that house, either this "safe" we keep talking about or drugs, it was not for anything else in that house because if it was then they would of taken it the stuff like the T.V and other things worth money.. I don't think it was staged to look like a robbery for the simple fact that robbers don't remove vents and punch holes in closets and so forth and for all the damage in the house, thats too much noise to make and time to take to just be wasting time on making something look like a regular robbery gone bad. There was obviously something in that house that they wanted and I think bottom line is someone hated Johnny and knew he was selling drugs and wanted what he had and this is how they went about getting it.. I think IMO Johnnys mom knew what he was doing and thats why she paniced from the start. There are a few photos where it looks like Johnny is smoking weed and there is atleast one photo where he is holding up a bottle of beer and it looks as if hes smoking weed in it, and its posted on Maytees facebook page so from what I gather from that, she knows alot more if she approved of that in her home... Not to mention she knows what kind of "friends" he had from the streets, theres no way she didn't know what kind of people he was hanging out with because just from the conversation she had with AG she obviously has alot of info....THis is all IMO

[IMaDick]

Now were the neighbors awoken by flashing lights and possibly sirens. Neighbors had to peek out the window to see what's going on. Someone had to see something, come on

I totally agree that at least one neighbor had to have seen or heard something out of the norm. Lights and sirens-No way. Deputies were responding to check the safety of the couple so there was no sense of urgency...So I can garantee that the 9-11 dispatcher told the units to respond "code-2." Which means "no lights and no sirens and obey all traffic lights and stops." Now when the bodies were discovered, then deputies and emts would have been dispatched "code-3"...lights, sirens and run all traffic lights.


Even with the law out at the house twice I think would have gotten a few neighbors up...they are probably scared shit-less to open their mouth.

Code 2 is an expedited response.

[Sonny223]

So 36 minutes at a house, IMO , is a very long time to spend and not come up with something! LE was there over 10 minutes the first time which, is about right! Now for the second time, 36 minutes is plenty of time to check many things. So my question is, were 2 cops dispatched in the same vehicle both times? Maybe just the first, second time? How about polygraphing of the LE . What in the hell did the do, accomplish in almost an hour both times ! What did they look for? Were they the same officers dispatched both times? Was there a briefing from dispatch?

[Adub]

So 36 minutes at a house, IMO , is a very long time to spend and not come up with something!

The 2^nd time out, Maytee was there. I bet they spent most of that 36 minutes dealing with her, jmoo.

[Methusala]

Think about my theory. What if it was just Johnny's idea and Lisa had no clue about the plan. Johnny would have to act like he didn't know them or Lisa would figure it out. Just another crazy thought.

Yes, I also suggested this possibility in Post 571 on Feb. 6^th. At that time I wrote:

My impression thus far is that a faked robbery was set up with Johnny and his friends in on it and the "who are you; what are you doing here?" exchange on the phone with a friend was arranged and part of the setup to rob the home of Lisa's parents while they were on their cruise; the "robbers" entered with no guns and their was a scuffle with a knife and the couple were overpowered secured with the duct tape; the bag was placed over Johnny's head to compel Lisa to disclose where all her parents valuables were, including the big safe, and how to access them. Lisa either didn't know or resisted until it was too late and Johnny accidentally expired; which caused the robbers to panic and put a bag over her head to intentionally kill her as she could otherwise identify them; and they had no guns. The expectation was that Lisa would tell all about her parents valuables quickly upon seeing the bag secured over her boyfriends head and his struggles to breathe.

To Johnny and his friends, Lisa's parents appeared wealthy. Lisa may have had no knowledge of the setup and fought hard to resist - harder than was anticipated. The idea was that, because she believed it to be so, she would corroborate to her parents and the police that it was a genuine uninvited entry and attack by persons unknown to either of them because the robbers wore something over their faces, e.g. nylon stockings or legs cut from pantyhose.

The person who was on the phone with Johnny never called the police because she played a role in what was thought to be an easy and clever robbery; and only later panicked when she learned how bad it had gone wrong.

I agree that the comment by Johnny's mother in call to police that the couple may have been abducted as part of a robbery is very very suspicious. Considering her record and behavior, she too may have had knowledge of it, or was told by the "friend" who called her.

[WolfHouse]

Who is Outside the Box and Outside of Alphabet City:

Totally Random People
Neighbors of Clarkes and Straubs
Church Friends of Clarkes and Straubs
Work Associates: Mr. Clarke Mrs. Clarke Mr. Straub Mrs Straub
Other Associates: Bar, Club, Dock, Gym, Bookie, Insurance brokers, Real Estate Brokers; Gas Station, Grocery Store, Convenient Store, Repairmen, Service Persons, Cable, Loan Shark.OTB
Family, estranged family
Total strangers unknown to anyone involved. (amended by LC)