(03-07-2011, 10:40 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:25 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:21 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:15 PM)van64 Wrote: Concerned, I think you were the one who had not seen this article referencing the belief of LE that the perps are no longer in the area. You have to read down to see it but it is there. LC has posted this in the thread about links to the case.

Slick link ther van64, pretty much been discussed and ripped apart, even before today's BOMBSHELL!

Sheriff Telb disses one of his own" read all about it just click on the link..


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7999254

The question concerned a comment made regarding LE's belief that the perps were no longer in the area. The sheriff's news release did not address that issue either way. But thanks for your input.

Okay, I'm game. No longer in the area is a bit ambiguous don't you THINK? Nowhere did the Sgt say out of state, out of the friggin country, or out of anywhere but the "area". And who was the Sgt addressing? The Springfield Township Trustees. So shall we take the Sgt's words in context or out? You decide. I decided two or three days ago. Area = Straub's neighborhood.

I think the audience Schiavone was addressing as well as the tone of the discussion is extremely important to how the Sgt's comments are taken. It certainly wasn't a formal statement by LE, was contradicted by today's formal statement and is questionable given the Sgt's choice of wording with "instigated."

In my opinion, all of the above make me question Schiavone's statement about drug charges against Lisa.

Might as well paste in the full article with attribution to the reporter:

January Murders In Township Were Not Random Crimes, Sheriff’s Office Saysg
BY KELLY J. KACZALA — MIRROR REPORTER
Lucas County Sheriff’s Sgt. James Schiavone said at a Springfield Township trustee meeting that the murders of a young couple in January were not random, but planned.
Schiavone made the comments as part of his monthly crime report to township trustees at a meeting on February 22.
He was referring to Johnny Clarke, 21, and his girlfriend, Lisa Straub, 20, who were killed on January 31 by unknown assailants at Straub’s parents’ home on Longacre Lane, where both had lived.
Both victims were found with duct tape and plastic bags over their heads in the kitchen dining area by Clarke’s father, who kicked down the door of the house after Clarke’s mother had called 911 to express fears for her son’s safety.
The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are working on the crime and have interviewed more than 100 people, according to Schiavone.
He said that both victims had prior records that included drug-related charges.
Schiavone said that the murders were not the result of a robbery gone wrong.
“Like I tell everybody, it wasn’t a robbery – not a robbery that’s ever going to occur again. So nobody needs to be worried of that,” he said, adding that he doubted the suspects are still in the area.
Following his comments on the double homicide, Schiavone continued his report on crime statistics for the month of February. Felony warrants filed were down to 23, misdemeanor warrants were down to 40, juvenile warrants fell to 36, and domestic violence remained the same at 36.
Domestic violence is sometimes higher during periods of extremely cold weather, he said.
Other statistics Schiavone noted for February – including 18 DWIs, four seatbelt citations, 98 speeding tickets, 12 driving under suspension citations and 36 miscellaneous tickets – were also down.
“But any time you get extreme bad weather like we’ve been getting, you’re not going to get too many speeders,” he said.
Schiavone told trustees he was retiring and would no longer be on patrol and giving trustees their monthly reports.
“It’s been a long 30 years. I really enjoyed working with all of you,” he said. “At times, it’s been a challenge, but most of the time it’s been enjoyable.
“I am still going to be on the auxiliary, so my face is still going to be around, and I’ve volunteered to do some of the special things.”
He will still be a hostage negotiator until another officer is trained for the job, he said.
Lucas County Sheriff’s Sgt. Matt Luettke will be Schiavone’s replacement to give trustees their monthly report, he said.
Luettke is an arms specialist who provides training for SWAT teams and for road officers, according to Schiavone.
“He will answer your questions, no matter what it takes. And if you call him, he doesn’t care if you call him on his cell phone,” he said to trustees. “If he has to come in on his own time, he’ll come in on his own time. I knew he’d be the best for you. I said before I left that I’d make sure you guys would be covered in that aspect.”
Trustee Bob Bethel said trustees appreciated Schiavone’s service.
“I think you have really helped with the communication between the sheriff’s office and trustees during the time you were put in this capacity here,” he said.

The Mirror Newspapers
http://themirrornewspaper.com/pages/news...lland.html

(03-07-2011, 10:47 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:42 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:36 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:31 PM)Methusala Wrote: Now I see a version of Schiavone's remarks to trustees in which he is quoted as saying:

"He said that both victims had prior records that included drug-related charges."

http://themirrornewspaper.com/pages/news...lland.html

I don't recall seeing this in the previously published reports of his remarks at that meeting, and I don't recall any drug charges against Lisa being mentioned as being found here on Mock.

Is my recollection correct? I thought she had had one DUI and that was it.

Also noted is that, at the same meeting, he announced his retirement from the Sheriff's staff after 30 years.

Hey Meth I followed that link and it got me to the paper but I don't see any article?? Where did u find it??

It's down the page, after the first article. The first article has a color photo included of a group of people. Below that article is the one quoting Schiavone.

Kitty, do you know whether or not that is true?

Not that it would diminish the outrage I feel towards this spokesman and his remarks of slurring-the-victims.

I know of no drug related charges in Lisa's past. I think he is trying to make himself look good on his way out. Sort of like we haven't solved this crime because these kids were just trouble and they got in over their heads. It was a professional hit so that's why we haven't solved it.

I only saw traffic violations for Lisa.

Whos MM? Does anyone know why they went all that way to arrest them???Thats a little odd....Unless they have something to do with it...
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The two guys they got in Kansas were found on a Army base.In order to get on a U.S. military base they would have had to show their I.D.s.I'm sure the M.P.s at the gate ran their names and they came up wanted.So the marshals picked them up.I'm sure no LE from Toledo went all the way there just for these two genius's.Just a normal id check did those two in.Probably not smart enough to realize someone on base might actually want to know who they were.
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I can just overhear them as they left Toledo, "Lets see....flee to Canada? No its too cold....Mexico?.... No I dont speak Spanish good....How about Iraq....YES!!! we can kill legally there...But how we gonna get to Iraq.....DUH....An Army base, everybody from here that's in Iraq left from that Army base"

(03-07-2011, 04:11 PM)van64 Wrote: So if it was a professional hit, it almost certainly revolved around drugs. I think everyone here on this thread will agree with that. If it was NOT a professional hit it could have been drugs, robbery, a crime of passion or all three...and a lot of people early on were in agreement that the perp(s) had killed before which would make at least one of them a serial killer...so if it was NOT a professional hit, who do you think the perps have killed before? A friend? A random stranger? Someone in a robbery gone awry?

I hadn't thought about whether the perps have killed before. It's possible they haven't. There are people 'out there' that would kill someone for $5,000.. (I just grabbed that amt off the top of my head) Someone desperate for money, hmmm now you have me thinking about it!

Ok like 15 or so years ago Maytees husband was caught up in a big drug bust. Maytee snitched on the main man and so did the truck driver.They found the truck driver with his tounge cut off. I think its really crazy if the rumors are true about lisa tounge. I know for a fact that Maytees Best friend gets all types of pills(pain pills) and Maytee and Jonny sell them for her. Jonny hangs around with a bunch of pill pooping loosers. Jonny likes to brag about what he had all the time as welll . Im stuck in between I think it could be a "hit" because of maytee and john sr's past , But I also think it could of been a set up from one of his jealous friends.

(03-07-2011, 10:53 PM)esbee Wrote: I think the audience Schiavone was addressing as well as the tone of the discussion is extremely important to how the Sgt's comments are taken. It certainly wasn't a formal statement by LE, was contradicted by today's formal statement and is questionable given the Sgt's choice of wording with "instigated."

In my opinion, all of the above make me question Schiavone's statement about drug charges against Lisa.

drug charges against Lisa ??? I'm catching up, lol ... so now LE does not think this was a "professional hit" as in some kind of drug cartel, right ??
... lots of interesting reading here, this evening!!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7999254

(03-07-2011, 10:59 PM)Jane Wrote: I hadn't thought about whether the perps have killed before. It's possible they haven't. There are people 'out there' that would kill someone for $5,000.. (I just grabbed that amt off the top of my head)

Jane...Please be more careful and stop walking around with so much money; and for gods sakes put it in your pocket.

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(03-07-2011, 02:24 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 12:35 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: About the comments that we all "deserve equal protection and efforts to solve crimes should NOT vary"... In a perfect world that would be the case, but the reality is that there are NOT enough resources to permit this.
The resources must be applied in a descending order of priority weighed against workload at hand. I believe this case will be solved but convictions may be tough to get because eveyone "Won't Snitch" and LE has to work some leverage here and progress is slow. I would not want their job and I am glad they are there and do what they do. This is the type of job you can't help but take home with you. It can disturb your sleep and disrupt your marriage and relationships with people you love.

Make no mistake about it, LE is not there because they are kind hearted and they are not in LE for altruistic reasons. LE are paid well for what they do, very well relative to other occupations, and YOU pay their salaries and I pay their salaries. The money used to pay their salaries, benefits, disability insurances and the very generous retirement system that is common to all public employees, does not drop out of the air and land in their laps. YOU and I pay for it...not every cent of it of course, since LE personnel pay taxes also, but you and I pay the vast majority of what it takes for them to do their jobs.

Just take away their pay, their disability insurances, their retirement benefits...and see how long they do what they do.

YOU say, "Make no mistake about it, LE is not there because they are KIND hearted and they are not in LE for ALTRUISITC reasons." The antonym to kind is "CRUEL" and the antonym to altruistic is "SELFISH." So, you just categorized EVERYONE in LE as "CRUEL and SELFISH" people!!

And as far as PAY goes, it is BEYOND ME how you think they "are paid well for what they do." Most people in LE that I know are struggling to get by with the little that they do make.

Somehow, I am guessing that YOU would NOT be the type to put YOUR life on the line for OTHERS!! And yet, NOT only do you have an incredibly LOW opinion of those that do, you basically summarize them as cruel and selfish, AND place LESS than MINIMAL VALUE on their LIVES by expressing that they "are paid well for what they do."

"... and YOU pay their salaries and I pay their salaries." You also seem to think that you OWN LE, repeatedly emphasizing that YOU pay their salaries. Do you own your doctor, your landscaper, your babysitter, your college professor, your mechanic, your lawyer, or the customer service rep answering calls from India? Make no mistake about it, YOU and I PAY the SALARIES of THESE PEOPLE TOO!!!

"Just take away their pay, their disability insurances, their retirement benefits...and see how long they do what they do." REALLY?!?!?!?!! If you stop paying the electric bill, how long do your lights stay on?!? Seriously, I think you will find it hard to find someone to agree with you here!! Maybe I should HIRE YOU- here's the deal, no pay, no insurance, no benefits!! How long would YOU, or anyone for that matter, stick around to a job with no pay or benefits?

(03-07-2011, 09:55 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 09:47 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 08:46 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: [quote='concerned' pid='142441' dateline='1299544889']
One the other hand ... I also wonder if the person(s) involved or someone who was indirectly involved is starting to show any physical aspects of the stress/pressure they must be under. Lack of sleep, Weight loss, Excessiv drinking etc....

MPY had a post on his FB about not sleeping.....

you referring to this?

MPY
So It's 6 a.m and ive been in this FUCKED up sleep pattern where i stay up till 6 am then stay up till 5.am the following night with out, sleeping i go to bed every OTHER day and it sucks
February 27 at 5:22am · View Feedback (10)Hide Feedback (10)

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DN ‎:( thats messed up
February 27 at 8:20am
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AY You know what don't help, no matter what you say mathew!!! mommy knows these things
February 27 at 8:34am · 1 personLoading...
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SJ You've been dreamin about boys again haven't you?!?
February 27 at 9:25am
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MPY MOM I SWEARRRR ITS NOTT THATT. that never happened when i did alot, but i looked it up its insominia . and steve been dreaming about you on a boat.
February 27 at 12:20pm
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BG my sleep pattern is fucked up to little homie. i stay up till like 5 or 6 in the morning and wake up in between 9 and noon
February 27 at 1:27pm
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MPY haha wtf atleast you sleep one night i cant sleep i got to sleep every other night
February 27 at 3:12pm
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ED IM ON THE SAME DAMN SCHEDULE !!
February 28 at 12:01am
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MPY your serious .. like LITTERALLY EVERY OTHER DAY?
February 28 at 8:13pm
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ED im on this schedule EVERY DAY ...
March 1 at 3:10pm

My brother had a similar sleep schedule when he was doing heroin hard-core. Just saying.

(03-07-2011, 04:12 PM)kitty1 Wrote: The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

yes, that's why I always LOVE to see you here!

(03-07-2011, 11:04 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:53 PM)esbee Wrote: I think the audience Schiavone was addressing as well as the tone of the discussion is extremely important to how the Sgt's comments are taken. It certainly wasn't a formal statement by LE, was contradicted by today's formal statement and is questionable given the Sgt's choice of wording with "instigated."

In my opinion, all of the above make me question Schiavone's statement about drug charges against Lisa.

drug charges against Lisa ??? I'm catching up, lol ... so now LE does not think this was a "professional hit" as in some kind of drug cartel, right ??
... lots of interesting reading here, this evening!!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7999254

See Methusala's very interesting posts, above.

(03-07-2011, 11:07 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 04:12 PM)kitty1 Wrote: The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

yes, that's why I always LOVE to see you here!

Thanks Jane. Glad to see you here too!!

(03-07-2011, 04:27 PM)van64 Wrote: Thanks for posting this but they call this an update? I think the Sheriff's department cut and pasted from this thread.

LC! LC! I'm calling foul. The sheriff has cut and pasted from this thread.

(03-07-2011, 04:59 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: the sheriff clearly felt some pressure to say something and he knew aliens wouldn't fly.
he did however, finally confirm what i said at the beginning of this thread, that it was not "professionals".

yes, he did!

(03-07-2011, 11:03 PM)4shannon4 Wrote: Ok like 15 or so years ago Maytees husband was caught up in a big drug bust. Maytee snitched on the main man and so did the truck driver.They found the truck driver with his tounge cut off. I think its really crazy if the rumors are true about lisa tounge. I know for a fact that Maytees Best friend gets all types of pills(pain pills) and Maytee and Jonny sell them for her. Jonny hangs around with a bunch of pill pooping loosers. Jonny likes to brag about what he had all the time as welll . Im stuck in between I think it could be a "hit" because of maytee and john sr's past , But I also think it could of been a set up from one of his jealous friends.

Do you know what happened to the people she snitched on?

(03-07-2011, 11:07 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 04:12 PM)kitty1 Wrote: The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

yes, that's why I always LOVE to see you here!

what was said about a vent?Sorry I hate to keep asking questions but Im lost?

(03-07-2011, 11:16 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: [quote='4shannon4' pid='142562' dateline='1299553418']
Ok like 15 or so years ago Maytees husband was caught up in a big drug bust. Maytee snitched on the main man and so did the truck driver.They found the truck driver with his tounge cut off. I think its really crazy if the rumors are true about lisa tounge. I know for a fact that Maytees Best friend gets all types of pills(pain pills) and Maytee and Jonny sell them for her. Jonny hangs around with a bunch of pill pooping loosers. Jonny likes to brag about what he had all the time as welll . Im stuck in between I think it could be a "hit" because of maytee and john sr's past , But I also think it could of been a set up from one of his jealous friends.

Do you know what happened to the people she snitched on?
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I think prision, but I am not a 100% sure.I know everyone she has set up alot of people in her past tho.

(03-07-2011, 05:40 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=589699
Hope this works. Sheriff Telb speaks

thanks for the link! Looks like the only think LE is certain of, is this wasn't random.

(03-07-2011, 11:18 PM)4shannon4 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 11:07 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 04:12 PM)kitty1 Wrote: The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

yes, that's why I always LOVE to see you here!

what was said about a vent?Sorry I hate to keep asking questions but Im lost?

The killers took the vent covers off. It seems like they were looking for something in them.