(12-08-2011, 03:22 PM)Duchess Wrote:

They all have the right to make choices.

You do not get to chose your skin color though, do you.

Not one living black person today had "slave parents" unless they came directly from Africa. There were just as many poor whites on the plantations that couldn't vote and didn't have the resources to leave. Your excuse making is the worst kind of racism: It is the belief in pre-determined failure. I never look at a black person and think that they COULDN'T do better, I just think that they WON'T do better. That is an entirely different and much less discriminatory attitude. I don't condone any fucked up behavior, especially en masse.

Who is really a racist? One who sees any excuse as a reason to be a piece of shit because you don't know any better, or one who thinks every thinking human can rise to decency and self-actualization? I am not a racist. I am honest. People hate honest because you can't escape truth. I post about what I see and experience every single day in the South. It is my truth.

Never let anybody think you are a less valuable human. Never be a pet to other humans. If someone feeds you, houses you, and pays for your care you are a PET. Which is a step down from a slave because slaves earned their keep. Niggers don't.

(12-08-2011, 12:27 PM)username Wrote: Bill Cosby:

We Cannot Blame the White People any Longer

By Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

"Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...".
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for "Hooked on Phonics."

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2?

Where were you when he was 12?

Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward. Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles (piercings) going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from?

We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.

I say this all of the time — it would be like white people saying they are European-American — that is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.

The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa — so stop, already!

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap...and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' — or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.

We have to start holding each other to a higher standard....

Many blacks in the South HATE Bill Cosby for saying that. They say he isn't black because "black" to them is acting like shit. That is sad to me. Anybody who does well is acting "white." Only people don't recognize that as racism for some reason...

(12-08-2011, 10:04 PM)Cracker Wrote: Not one living black person today had "slave parents" unless they came directly from Africa.

You aren't getting that I am talking about the predictable, natural byproduct of long-term enslavement followed by long-term discrimination only partially remedied through civil rights laws a mere handful of decades ago. Are you sincerely surprised by how that lot turned out?

Why or why not are you surprised? You seem to be acting like their history has sprung a surprise entrenchment of negative traits upon you. You seem to be acting like you just can't believe the people who relatively recently came from those who had to sit in the back of the bus and be sanctioned to poverty from a lack of good jobs are not performing as the chronically advantaged, so I am curious as to why you are so surprised. Is it because you expect widespread inequality, abuse, and discrimination to be all cleared up and nice in 2 generations? 3 generations? Tell me how long "Cracker" expects an entire race of people with grandparents and even parents that were without real widespread educational or occupational opportunities to perform just as well as those who held power and resisted their progress?

It was only 50 years ago that normal people had to force the racist assholes to be decent to Blacks through civil rights laws. That means it may have been perfectly legal to fuck over some of today's grandmas or grandpas because of their skin color. That would obviously cement in bad tracks for many of today's Black parents being that only a generation or two back from them, the entire Country was comfortable denying jobs or education to anyone Black.

Apparently, you wanted better results, quicker. Just what is your deadline for enslavement followed by oppression followed by discrimination, then total group success? Hmm? Give me the magic formula in years so that all future oppressed people can know how to get an A on your exam.

(12-08-2011, 03:19 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Take for instance the native peoples, anyone who claims that the blacks had it harder than the natives is intellectually dishonest, but yet those people who suffered so miserably at the hands of oppression have taken responsibility for their own future, they have fought and won many battles since the decimation which was brought upon their ancestors, and much of it during the same period of time as the blacks were held as slaves.

Dude, the American Indians are mostly too drunk to complain. Or they're taking money from gambling institutions. Or, if they're lucky, they're drunk and collecting from their casinos.


I wouldn't hold American Indians up as a shining example of success.

The Equal Rights Amendment for women still hasn't passed. WTF is up with that?

(12-08-2011, 10:24 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: Apparently, you wanted better results, quicker. Just what is your deadline for enslavement followed by oppression followed by discrimination, then total group success? Hmm? Give me the magic formula in years so that all future oppressed people can know how to get an A on your exam.

Are you saying black people are slow learners?

I live smack in the middle of the Civil Rights corridor (between Birmingham and Ebenezer Baptist Church). I know older people personally who were segregated in Birmingham. They don't act like niggers and they don't like black people who act that way. They behave much better than I do. They make no excuse for bad behavior other than a lack of home training. They say, "Look at the stupid nigger. Nobody marched so you could act like that."

Lowered expectations isn't a form of kindness. It is basest kind of racism. Good black people don't want your apologetic excuses. They are tired of you keeping them slaves forever by reminding them where they have been instead of where they are going. They know where they have been. And they aren't fond of Italians.

I also know many people from different African countries. Some of them act like niggers and some don't. I don't have a generalization for them. (Okay, besides they are ALL Jesus freaks, every last one of them.)

(12-08-2011, 11:55 PM)username Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 03:19 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Take for instance the native peoples, anyone who claims that the blacks had it harder than the natives is intellectually dishonest, but yet those people who suffered so miserably at the hands of oppression have taken responsibility for their own future, they have fought and won many battles since the decimation which was brought upon their ancestors, and much of it during the same period of time as the blacks were held as slaves.

Dude, the American Indians are mostly too drunk to complain. Or they're taking money from gambling institutions. Or, if they're lucky, they're drunk and collecting from their casinos.


I wouldn't hold American Indians up as a shining example of success.

ignorant and your stereotyping generalization shows me have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I know what they have actually achieved.

(12-09-2011, 01:56 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 10:24 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: Apparently, you wanted better results, quicker. Just what is your deadline for enslavement followed by oppression followed by discrimination, then total group success? Hmm? Give me the magic formula in years so that all future oppressed people can know how to get an A on your exam.

Are you saying black people are slow learners?

I live smack in the middle of the Civil Rights corridor (between Birmingham and Ebenezer Baptist Church). I know older people personally who were segregated in Birmingham. They don't act like niggers and they don't like black people who act that way. They behave much better than I do. They make no excuse for bad behavior other than a lack of home training. They say, "Look at the stupid nigger. Nobody marched so you could act like that."

Lowered expectations isn't a form of kindness. It is basest kind of racism. Good black people don't want your apologetic excuses. They are tired of you keeping them slaves forever by reminding them where they have been instead of where they are going. They know where they have been. And they aren't fond of Italians.

I also know many people from different African countries. Some of them act like niggers and some don't. I don't have a generalization for them. (Okay, besides they are ALL Jesus freaks, every last one of them.)

You didn't answer my question, so let me rephrase. How long - how many years or generations - do you feel is long enough for a race previously enslaved then widely discriminated against to become just as "successful" as their oppressors?

(12-09-2011, 02:54 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 11:55 PM)username Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 03:19 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Take for instance the native peoples, anyone who claims that the blacks had it harder than the natives is intellectually dishonest, but yet those people who suffered so miserably at the hands of oppression have taken responsibility for their own future, they have fought and won many battles since the decimation which was brought upon their ancestors, and much of it during the same period of time as the blacks were held as slaves.

Dude, the American Indians are mostly too drunk to complain. Or they're taking money from gambling institutions. Or, if they're lucky, they're drunk and collecting from their casinos.


I wouldn't hold American Indians up as a shining example of success.

ignorant and your stereotyping generalization shows me have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I know what they have actually achieved.

When you're done defending your lame comparison example, you too can answer this:

How long - how many years or generations - do you feel is long enough for a race previously enslaved then widely discriminated against to become just as "successful" as their oppressors?

Back to Cracker's original problem about her real estate value sinking. I can relate big time. spouse and i are just two working stiffs, husb wears a hard hat to work every day...before the economy tanked we cashed in our 401K's, to buy a beach cottage (ocean isle beach, nc)...it was escalating in value at a phenomenal rate. we also sold our family home in the city where we work and live in a tiny bungalow to be able to do it.

soon as we bought it, economy tanks. now it is worth $250,000 - $300,000 LESS THAN what we paid for it and are still paying faithfully our mortgage every month. sucks big time, but i tell myself we knew it was a risk when we got it. we knew we never could afford to live in it permanently and were planning on selling it in a few yrs after enjoying it and making a bundle. yeah right. all i can say is everyday i have to tell myself, we're all healthy, that's what's impt...and oh well, shit happens.

what i'm trying to say is i hear ya cracker and it sucks big time. we've thought about walking away from it but have so much in it that we'd loose everything.

(12-09-2011, 09:41 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 02:54 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 11:55 PM)username Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 03:19 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Take for instance the native peoples, anyone who claims that the blacks had it harder than the natives is intellectually dishonest, but yet those people who suffered so miserably at the hands of oppression have taken responsibility for their own future, they have fought and won many battles since the decimation which was brought upon their ancestors, and much of it during the same period of time as the blacks were held as slaves.

Dude, the American Indians are mostly too drunk to complain. Or they're taking money from gambling institutions. Or, if they're lucky, they're drunk and collecting from their casinos.


I wouldn't hold American Indians up as a shining example of success.

ignorant and your stereotyping generalization shows me have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I know what they have actually achieved.

When you're done defending your lame comparison example, you too can answer this:

How long - how many years or generations - do you feel is long enough for a race previously enslaved then widely discriminated against to become just as "successful" as their oppressors?

It's entirely up to those people how long it takes them, they can sit their asses on welfare,and deal drugs and be thugs for generations or they can actually do something of worth and shorten the time which it will take.

Society as a whole cannot speed up or slow down the process it's not our fault if they choose to remain oppressed.

I think a culture that has been strongly affected by slavery, racism, and poverty will result in specefic traits. A race that has adapted itself to those circumstances is not all of the sudden going to have a lifestyle that confirms to the white middle class norm. And it's not going to happen anytime soon when the younger generation is still in poverty.

(12-09-2011, 01:01 PM)sally Wrote: I think a culture that has been strongly affected by slavery, racism, and poverty will result in specefic traits. A race that has adapted itself to those circumstances is not all of the sudden going to have a lifestyle that confirms to the white middle class norm. And it's not going to happen anytime soon when the younger generation is still in poverty.

How very PC of you.

every race and every culture could claim the same.

There are poor people in each and every culture.

and as a rules most young people don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

The secret is to success is to start.

Were they better off as slaves?

(12-09-2011, 01:18 PM)Maggot Wrote: Were they better off as slaves?

Some were, hell yeah.

(12-09-2011, 01:18 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 01:01 PM)sally Wrote: I think a culture that has been strongly affected by slavery, racism, and poverty will result in specefic traits. A race that has adapted itself to those circumstances is not all of the sudden going to have a lifestyle that confirms to the white middle class norm. And it's not going to happen anytime soon when the younger generation is still in poverty.

How very PC of you.

every race and every culture could claim the same.

There are poor people in each and every culture.

and as a rules most young people don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

The secret is to success is to start.

I wasn't being PC, that was my theory as to why their socioeconomic status is the way it is. Whats your theory, are they just inherently a race of lazy scumbags?

(12-09-2011, 02:04 PM)sally Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 01:18 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 01:01 PM)sally Wrote: I think a culture that has been strongly affected by slavery, racism, and poverty will result in specefic traits. A race that has adapted itself to those circumstances is not all of the sudden going to have a lifestyle that confirms to the white middle class norm. And it's not going to happen anytime soon when the younger generation is still in poverty.

How very PC of you.

every race and every culture could claim the same.

There are poor people in each and every culture.

and as a rules most young people don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

The secret is to success is to start.

I wasn't being PC, that was my theory as to why their socioeconomic status is the way it is. Whats your theory, are they just inherently a race of lazy scumbags?

They were actually fucked by the equal rights amendment, when you take a good look in the rear view mirror, that amendment set them further from assimilation into society than closer, all of the money that has been thrown at them in the last 50 years hasn't improved their position one bit in fact it may have set them back from advancing because they haven't had to, most still feel like the white man owes them something when in reality none of those claiming ownership of slavery were ever enslaved by anything but their own minds and the special status they claim as a minority.

The equal rights amendment needs to be repealed, they need to stand in the same lines as every other american, and actually become part of the population rather than standing beside of them.

division is insidious and infects what you believe was intended to help them when actually the laws that were put in place under the guise of a hand up was just another form of slavery which at it's very core has done more to hold them back than anything else.

No idea how to trim a quote, eh Paco? You can always ask for help & I'd be delighted to tell you what to do.

(12-09-2011, 02:24 PM)Duchess Wrote:

No idea how to trim a quote, eh Paco? You can always ask for help & I'd be delighted to tell you what to do.

Can't you just have a normal conversation? WTF is wrong with you?

Context in this discussion is important, not that I expect you to understand that, but most people don't have the balls to go back and read so that they can understand what is being discussed and how certain parts of the conversation came to be.

see ya crunchy.

I think it's funny when Duchess calls you Paco. heheeee