(02-07-2019, 09:51 PM)MirahM Wrote: I think you two are talking about 2 different things.
Duchess is talking about immigration and what happened at the southern border to the children and Pyro is talking about the abortion law which allows babies to be killed at birth, just before or just after or something like that.

And Pyro seems to be trying to call Duchess a hypocrit saying she really doesn't care about human life.
Let me know how that one pans out for you Pyro.

I understood that he was talking about abortion but what I was trying to do was to show it was a bullshit comment by giving a big example of why I thought it was bullshit. You can't say all life is precious and then proceed to support & defend decisions to take kids from their parents. It's fuckin' lame and just plain dumb. 

(02-08-2019, 06:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 09:51 PM)MirahM Wrote: I think you two are talking about 2 different things.
Duchess is talking about immigration and what happened at the southern border to the children and Pyro is talking about the abortion law which allows babies to be killed at birth, just before or just after or something like that.

And Pyro seems to be trying to call Duchess a hypocrit saying she really doesn't care about human life.
Let me know how that one pans out for you Pyro.

I understood that he was talking about abortion but what I was trying to do was to show it was a bullshit comment by giving a big example of why I thought it was bullshit. You can't say all life is precious and then proceed to support & defend decisions to take kids from their parents. It's fuckin' lame and just plain dumb. 

Yes, let's play this selective strawmanning.

"Duchess why do you support unvetted Illegal immigrant children forced to stay with the illegal immigrant child traffickers and pedophiles that are claiming parentage".

"NO! I didn't! I said that children should not be removed from their children and that Trump is a meanie for doing that".

"Bullshit, you WANT these kids to stay with unvetted illegal immigrants CLAIMING to be their children EVEN if they are not ACTUALLY their parents and are claiming the children to get into the US"

"No, I don't! That is wrong. I just want the kids not to be removed from their parents".

"How would you be able to confirm who is REALLY the parent and who is a predator to the child?"

"It doesn't matter. Orange Man Bad"

That is the bullshit of your argument. Do not for a moment PRETEND as you are that you are actually concerned about those kids because you do not for a moment consider the issue of kids being trafficked and traffickers using the cover of being their family. Separation protects THOSE kids but noooooo.....its evil. I think dragging kids from Guatemala and exposing them to danger and dehydration is immoral. Do you have an issue with that? Noooooo......Trump is evil for them exposing their kids to this.

Leaving US with the position of either keeping potential Child traffickers and pedophiles with children or risking separating kids from parents is wrong. That is not the kids fault NOR The US's fault. It is the parents fault. If the result is separating kids to reduce the risk of them being abused by pedophiles and children traffickers it is not ideal BUT you would have rocks in your head if you think that it is perfect leaving kids with potentially dangerous adults.

So PRETENDING that the child separating thing is evil and all on Republicans or whatever is stupid and NOT a better moral position. No moral leg to stand on much less high horse. It is simply two untenable positions.

So given that.....you again PRETEND there is parity between separating children from adults when neither can be immediately vetted AND aborting born children or viable babies. THAT is a disgusting attempt at moral equivalence.

You are NOT trying that are you, Duchess? Say it is not so.

2020 is going to be insane; the left is ready to make socialism the issue. 

The Green New Deal

every dem presidential candidate supports this proposal.

I was shocked when the Trumpster won the first time, (blame it on Hillary) I hope I will not be shocked again in 2020!

(The Trumpster has many policies that have merit, unfortunately, he does not have POTUS decorum and acts like a dufus!)

I'm starting to think Alexander Occasional Cortex is a diversion so a bunch of bills can be tossed out there under the radar. Have you read that freaking green thing? And the current candidates are supporting it. Pelosi back in the day was thought of as a far left liberal but these folks are blowing her out of the water lately. I mean they are so far into socialism that they make Castro blush.

Castro was a communist.  

(02-08-2019, 09:06 AM)Fry Guy Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 06:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 09:51 PM)MirahM Wrote: I think you two are talking about 2 different things.
Duchess is talking about immigration and what happened at the southern border to the children and Pyro is talking about the abortion law which allows babies to be killed at birth, just before or just after or something like that.

And Pyro seems to be trying to call Duchess a hypocrit saying she really doesn't care about human life.
Let me know how that one pans out for you Pyro.

I understood that he was talking about abortion but what I was trying to do was to show it was a bullshit comment by giving a big example of why I thought it was bullshit. You can't say all life is precious and then proceed to support & defend decisions to take kids from their parents. It's fuckin' lame and just plain dumb. 

Yes, let's play this selective strawmanning.

"Duchess why do you support unvetted Illegal immigrant children forced to stay with the illegal immigrant child traffickers and pedophiles that are claiming parentage".

"NO! I didn't! I said that children should not be removed from their children and that Trump is a meanie for doing that".

"Bullshit, you WANT these kids to stay with unvetted illegal immigrants CLAIMING to be their children EVEN if they are not ACTUALLY their parents and are claiming the children to get into the US"

"No, I don't! That is wrong. I just want the kids not to be removed from their parents".

"How would you be able to confirm who is REALLY the parent and who is a predator to the child?"

"It doesn't matter. Orange Man Bad"

That is the bullshit of your argument. Do not for a moment PRETEND as you are that you are actually concerned about those kids because you do not for a moment consider the issue of kids being trafficked and traffickers using the cover of being their family. Separation protects THOSE kids but noooooo.....its evil. I think dragging kids from Guatemala and exposing them to danger and dehydration is immoral. Do you have an issue with that? Noooooo......Trump is evil for them exposing their kids to this.

Leaving US with the position of either keeping potential Child traffickers and pedophiles with children or risking separating kids from parents is wrong. That is not the kids fault NOR The US's fault. It is the parents fault. If the result is separating kids to reduce the risk of them being abused by pedophiles and children traffickers it is not ideal BUT you would have rocks in your head if you think that it is perfect leaving kids with potentially dangerous adults.  

So PRETENDING that the child separating thing is evil and all on Republicans or whatever is stupid and NOT a better moral position. No moral leg to stand on much less high horse. It is simply two untenable positions.

So given that.....you again PRETEND there is parity between separating children from adults when neither can be immediately vetted AND aborting born children or viable babies. THAT is a disgusting  attempt at moral equivalence.

You are NOT trying that are you, Duchess? Say it is not so.

I don't think Amy Klobuchar is going to run in 2020. I wouldn't have said that a few days ago but there is some reporting that she's a terror to work for, I just saw a headline that compared her to trump. Man. Sorry to hear that about her but if the rumors are true she needs to stay put. Don't even...

(02-08-2019, 09:07 PM)Rootilda Wrote: Castro was a communist.  

  I'm not afraid of using the two types of government interchangeably.

(02-08-2019, 09:08 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 09:06 AM)Fry Guy Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 06:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 09:51 PM)MirahM Wrote: I think you two are talking about 2 different things.
Duchess is talking about immigration and what happened at the southern border to the children and Pyro is talking about the abortion law which allows babies to be killed at birth, just before or just after or something like that.

And Pyro seems to be trying to call Duchess a hypocrit saying she really doesn't care about human life.
Let me know how that one pans out for you Pyro.

I understood that he was talking about abortion but what I was trying to do was to show it was a bullshit comment by giving a big example of why I thought it was bullshit. You can't say all life is precious and then proceed to support & defend decisions to take kids from their parents. It's fuckin' lame and just plain dumb. 

Yes, let's play this selective strawmanning.

"Duchess why do you support unvetted Illegal immigrant children forced to stay with the illegal immigrant child traffickers and pedophiles that are claiming parentage".

"NO! I didn't! I said that children should not be removed from their children and that Trump is a meanie for doing that".

"Bullshit, you WANT these kids to stay with unvetted illegal immigrants CLAIMING to be their children EVEN if they are not ACTUALLY their parents and are claiming the children to get into the US"

"No, I don't! That is wrong. I just want the kids not to be removed from their parents".

"How would you be able to confirm who is REALLY the parent and who is a predator to the child?"

"It doesn't matter. Orange Man Bad"

That is the bullshit of your argument. Do not for a moment PRETEND as you are that you are actually concerned about those kids because you do not for a moment consider the issue of kids being trafficked and traffickers using the cover of being their family. Separation protects THOSE kids but noooooo.....its evil. I think dragging kids from Guatemala and exposing them to danger and dehydration is immoral. Do you have an issue with that? Noooooo......Trump is evil for them exposing their kids to this.

Leaving US with the position of either keeping potential Child traffickers and pedophiles with children or risking separating kids from parents is wrong. That is not the kids fault NOR The US's fault. It is the parents fault. If the result is separating kids to reduce the risk of them being abused by pedophiles and children traffickers it is not ideal BUT you would have rocks in your head if you think that it is perfect leaving kids with potentially dangerous adults.  

So PRETENDING that the child separating thing is evil and all on Republicans or whatever is stupid and NOT a better moral position. No moral leg to stand on much less high horse. It is simply two untenable positions.

So given that.....you again PRETEND there is parity between separating children from adults when neither can be immediately vetted AND aborting born children or viable babies. THAT is a disgusting  attempt at moral equivalence.

You are NOT trying that are you, Duchess? Say it is not so.

You were.

(02-08-2019, 08:32 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm starting to think Alexander Occasional Cortex is a diversion so a bunch of bills can be tossed out there under the radar. Have you read that freaking green thing? And the current candidates are supporting it. Pelosi back in the day was thought of as a far left liberal but these folks are blowing her out of the water lately. I mean they are so far into socialism that they make Castro blush.

AOC is a star, you'll be hearing about her and Stacey Abrams for the rest of your life. Those two aren't going anywhere except straight to the top. The Democrats are lucky to have them.

I feel like politics have changed forever. In a sick, morbid way trump has been the best thing to happen to politics in maybe forever. Never again will citizens be lackadaisical. Elections have consequences and people won't soon forget this shit show.

Alexandra is a stupid ideologue who understands feelings not facts and without solid policies.
The I think we should have green energy, nobody needing to work, free medical coverage and free education and free childcare, is not realistic and never was and any attempt to make a case for that will fail very, very badly.
She is not grounded in reality.

Abrams lost. She is a loser.

(02-09-2019, 07:38 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 08:32 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm starting to think Alexander Occasional Cortex is a diversion so a bunch of bills can be tossed out there under the radar. Have you read that freaking green thing? And the current candidates are supporting it. Pelosi back in the day was thought of as a far left liberal but these folks are blowing her out of the water lately. I mean they are so far into socialism that they make Castro blush.

AOC is a star, you'll be hearing about her and Stacey Abrams for the rest of your life. Those two aren't going anywhere except straight to the top. The Democrats are lucky to have them.

I feel like politics have changed forever. In a sick, morbid way trump has been the best thing to happen to politics in maybe forever. Never again will citizens be lackadaisical. Elections have consequences and people won't soon forget this shit show.

AOC is a liability, did you read that nonsense?

Are you going to give up your vehicles?
Are you going to quit flying?
How do we move the goods produced with no vehicles?
How do we defend ourselves with no planes, tanks or trucks?
Are you going to completely rewire your home for her new energy source or just give up power altogether?
Are you going to give up your assets so those unwilling to work can be equal to you?

Why do progressives want to destroy America? All this shit was tried before; Google Soviet Russia and check out the results.  Seriously, the green new deal is a rewrite of the old Soviet constitution.

Please, I implore you read the book entitled "MiG Pilot"; read the truth about socialism and why it will  NEVER work.

I've never been implored to do anything. Why so serious?

Because you are being wilfully ignorant.
Kind of worse than that. You dislike Trump and so you pathologise all he says and does and all of those that support him do or say AND canonise what those that are not in his davour or are against, do or say.
All without an attempt to become knowledgeable as to the merits of both sides. Pelosi or AOC say or do something and automatically in your mind it must be of a high standard intellectually and morally because the are against Trump.
Its retarded.
In this instance AOC has said some really stupid things that would bankrupt the national in short order IF they could be followed out, which they can't. You say she is a wonder girl for what reason exactly. Legitimate reason...not "because she is young" or "because she is female". What real reason? The only one you have, if you are honest, is that she hates Trump.

(02-09-2019, 06:38 PM)Fry Guy Wrote: Because you are being wilfully ignorant.
Kind of worse than that. You dislike Trump and so you pathologise all he says and does and all of those that support him do or say AND canonise what those that are not in his davour or are against, do or say.
All without an attempt to become knowledgeable as to the merits of both sides. Pelosi or AOC say or do something and automatically in your mind it must be of a high standard intellectually and morally because the are against Trump.
Its retarded.
In this instance AOC has said some really stupid things that would bankrupt the national in short order IF they could be followed out, which they can't. You say she is a wonder girl for what reason exactly. Legitimate reason...not "because she is young" or "because she is female". What real reason? The only one you have, if you are honest, is that she hates Trump.

Tiocfaidh ár lá mate.

(02-09-2019, 08:07 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(02-09-2019, 06:38 PM)Fry Guy Wrote: Because you are being wilfully ignorant.
Kind of worse than that. You dislike Trump and so you pathologise all he says and does and all of those that support him do or say AND canonise what those that are not in his davour or are against, do or say.
All without an attempt to become knowledgeable as to the merits of both sides. Pelosi or AOC say or do something and automatically in your mind it must be of a high standard intellectually and morally because the are against Trump.
Its retarded.
In this instance AOC has said some really stupid things that would bankrupt the national in short order IF they could be followed out, which they can't. You say she is a wonder girl for what reason exactly. Legitimate reason...not "because she is young" or "because she is female". What real reason? The only one you have, if you are honest, is that she hates Trump.

Tiocfaidh ár lá mate.

I bloody hope so.

(02-09-2019, 02:35 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Please, I implore you read the book entitled "MiG Pilot"; read the truth about socialism and why it will  NEVER work.

I took a quick look, Pappy. The nicest thing I can say is that I'm glad not to be living in your head.

(02-10-2019, 06:26 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-09-2019, 02:35 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Please, I implore you read the book entitled "MiG Pilot"; read the truth about socialism and why it will  NEVER work.

I took a quick look, Pappy. The nicest thing I can say is that I'm glad not to be living in your head.

https://www.amazon.com/Mig-Pilot-Final-E...0380538687

Quote:I was so blown away by this book I had to meet Viktor in person and now count him as a personal friend. The book is factual in every respect and is difficult to put down once started. John Barron is an excellent author and did a first class job of writing Viktor's story. In addition to an exciting escape story it reveals why the Soviet Union had to collapse of its own ineptitude, deceit, and corruption. It details humorous incidents such as army pilots' mess-hall riots due to bad food. Mig Pilot is also a biography of an exceptional man whose intelligence saw through a lifetime of brainwashing. The story is humorous in places and engrossing from beginning to end. It starts right out with Viktor's desperate and harrowing escape flight to freedom in his top-secret Mig-25 Foxbat, then in subsequent chapters details the life events that led to his courageous decision to "go for broke" and make his live-or-die dash to freedom. It illustrates how America probably could have given the Soviets all of its top secrets and they would have found a way to screw up making use of them.Viktor is not only a first class pilot, he is also a true hero. Don't lend this book to anyone and expect to get it back.

I suggest everyone read this book; especially your children. This country is being lead to a dangerous place; radicals like AOC, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Kamila Harris and others will force the narrative that Socialism is better than Capitalism. That is a bold face lie being backed up by the LSM.  This country with all its warts is far better than the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe or any other place Socialism has been tried and failed. Believe me, when you kids were shitting yellow my older brother was fighting the "Cold "war in every third world shit hole you every heard of and plenty you never will.  
That book tells the truth, from the perspective of a Soviet officer who believed their system was best, but came to realize how wrong he was. Many in this country need their blinders removed as well.

Reading comments like AOC is a star, makes we want to puke.

The thing with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of someone else's money