(03-07-2011, 10:31 PM)Methusala Wrote: Now I see a version of Schiavone's remarks to trustees in which he is quoted as saying:

"He said that both victims had prior records that included drug-related charges."

http://themirrornewspaper.com/pages/news...lland.html

I don't recall seeing this in the previously published reports of his remarks at that meeting, and I don't recall any drug charges against Lisa being mentioned as being found here on Mock.

Is my recollection correct? I thought she had had one DUI and that was it.

Also noted is that, at the same meeting, he announced his retirement from the Sheriff's staff after 30 years.

Why are the drug-related records/arrests of the VICTIMS even being mentioned? Is this just another way to deflect the inability of his department to solve this crime?

(03-07-2011, 05:49 PM)LytoMe Wrote: Didn't Maytee state in her FB post that she knew more than "mockers". I might just be blinded by the 792 pages of thread :O...but I thought she said that...sounds like she may hold the key to what happened if she knows so much. I would love to have her enlighten us on her knowledge. After catching up on all the pages, I have come to the conclusion that Tiffany was an easy target for Maytee. She QUICKLY said to the 911 operator, she set up my son. WHY on earth would you accuse someone that she never met until that night. What facts does Maytee have? DOES ANYONE know if Maytee and John, Sr. are still together???

I don't know if she posted that comment or not. And I tend to agree, Tiffany was an easy target. I'd like to know her facts, also, now that you mention it. I haven't heard if Maytee & John live together or not.

(03-07-2011, 10:39 PM)curious Wrote: Wonder if all 409,000+ people who have viewed this thread donated $1 to the reward fund would make people start talking...

I'd be naming everyone I knew who could even possibly be a suspect.

(03-07-2011, 11:24 PM)van64 Wrote: Why are the drug-related records/arrests of the VICTIMS even being mentioned? Is this just another way to deflect the inability of his department to solve this crime?

I know! I noticed that too. Odd, for sure

Whos MM? Does anyone know why they went all that way to arrest them???Thats a little odd....Unless they have something to do with it...
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The two guys they got in Kansas were found on a Army base.In order to get on a U.S. military base they would have had to show their I.D.s.I'm sure the M.P.s at the gate ran their names and they came up wanted.So the marshals picked them up.I'm sure no LE from Toledo went all the way there just for these two genius's.Just a normal id check did those two in.Probably not smart enough to realize someone on base might actually want to know who they were.
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The raid supposedly took place at MM's sister's house. Not sure if the sister lived in base housing or off-base. When my husband was an active duty Marine, we lived in base housing. MY experience was that if the driver had a current military ID for that station, then they would just let you through. When I had friends and family visit, they never checked any of their ID's. It really depends on the base and the security level as to whether or not they check ID's.

(03-05-2011, 05:09 AM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:24 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: If you look at Maytee's postings, they are different, often, in
style and spelling errors. I think there are two people posting.
Just study them. There are different but consistently different
styles.

Maybe she has a split personality? Jekyll and Hyde?

Yes, she has actually been medically diagnosed as bi-polar.

(03-07-2011, 07:05 PM)concerned Wrote: IMO about what spectulation of whos blood is all over....They took knives out of the home as part of the evidence. I think Lisa or Johnny might have got a cut or stab in on one of the perps. Possibly Lisa did and that is why they brutalized her like they did. I am saying "they" because I think there had to have been more than one.

I hadn't thought of that! Could be.

(03-07-2011, 10:39 PM)curious Wrote: Wonder if all 409,000+ people who have viewed this thread donated $1 to the reward fund would make people start talking...

Could be one person viewing 409,000 times. Then you'd get a dollar.

(03-07-2011, 07:13 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 07:07 PM)NightOwl Wrote: We haven't heard from Jash in a long time. Wonder why?

yes, she's a good poster. i'll email her.

Good! I agree

(03-07-2011, 10:45 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:31 PM)Methusala Wrote: Now I see a version of Schiavone's remarks to trustees in which he is quoted as saying:

"He said that both victims had prior records that included drug-related charges."

http://themirrornewspaper.com/pages/news...lland.html

I don't recall seeing this in the previously published reports of his remarks at that meeting, and I don't recall any drug charges against Lisa being mentioned as being found here on Mock.

Is my recollection correct? I thought she had had one DUI and that was it.

Also noted is that, at the same meeting, he announced his retirement from the Sheriff's staff after 30 years.

Thank for the link.

"Schiavone said that the murders were not the result of a robbery gone wrong.
“Like I tell everybody, it wasn’t a robbery – not a robbery that’s ever going to occur again. So nobody needs to be worried of that,” he said, adding that he doubted the suspects are still in the area."

Ok so he came up from the public trough for air long enough to let us know that he knows absolutely jack shit about where the perps are and the robbery that wasn't a robbery isn't going to occur again (so don't worry, be happy) and the reason it isn't going to occur again is because Johnny and Lisa are dead.

(03-07-2011, 10:40 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:25 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:21 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:15 PM)van64 Wrote: Concerned, I think you were the one who had not seen this article referencing the belief of LE that the perps are no longer in the area. You have to read down to see it but it is there. LC has posted this in the thread about links to the case.

Slick link ther van64, pretty much been discussed and ripped apart, even before today's BOMBSHELL!

Sheriff Telb disses one of his own" read all about it just click on the link..


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7999254

The question concerned a comment made regarding LE's belief that the perps were no longer in the area. The sheriff's news release did not address that issue either way. But thanks for your input.

Okay, I'm game. No longer in the area is a bit ambiguous don't you THINK? Nowhere did the Sgt say out of state, out of the friggin country, or out of anywhere but the "area". And who was the Sgt addressing? The Springfield Township Trustees. So shall we take the Sgt's words in context or out? You decide. I decided two or three days ago. Area = Straub's neighborhood.

This is not the original article that was quoted here. This article makes no mention at all of Johnny and Lisa instigating their own deaths. The original article did and the original article may very well have said something other than "out of the area"

(03-07-2011, 07:26 PM)4shannon4 Wrote: Maytee is going around telling every1 she knows who did it, and they will see their day.. But I thinks she full of shit. I think she just thinks Tw did it. She dont want to think it could of had something to do with payback on her because of all the shit shes done in the past to people . It is very sad these two beatuiful kids had to go through this but I think it sad everyone keeps blaming Tw.It took a real crazy sick person to do what they did to them. I dont think Tw or anyone around her could even pull that off . What about LS ex boyfriend??I herd he was crazy....

I know absolutely nothing about Lisa's ex, other than he went to her funeral.

(03-07-2011, 10:53 PM)esbee Wrote: [quote='Adub' pid='142548' dateline='1299552017']
[quote='van64' pid='142540' dateline='1299551124']In my opinion, all of the above make me question Schiavone's statement about drug charges against Lisa.

But once it is out there in print or in an interview, it's like unringing a bell.

(03-07-2011, 11:32 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:39 PM)curious Wrote: Wonder if all 409,000+ people who have viewed this thread donated $1 to the reward fund would make people start talking...

Could be one person viewing 409,000 times. Then you'd get a dollar.

And the perpetrator

(03-07-2011, 11:25 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 05:49 PM)LytoMe Wrote: Didn't Maytee state in her FB post that she knew more than "mockers". I might just be blinded by the 792 pages of thread :O...but I thought she said that...sounds like she may hold the key to what happened if she knows so much. I would love to have her enlighten us on her knowledge. After catching up on all the pages, I have come to the conclusion that Tiffany was an easy target for Maytee. She QUICKLY said to the 911 operator, she set up my son. WHY on earth would you accuse someone that she never met until that night. What facts does Maytee have? DOES ANYONE know if Maytee and John, Sr. are still together???

I don't know if she posted that comment or not. And I tend to agree, Tiffany was an easy target. I'd like to know her facts, also, now that you mention it. I haven't heard if Maytee & John live together or not.

Yes they live together.

[quote='Methusala' pid='142558' dateline='1299552978']
Meth, this wasn't the original article, however, where the LE guy was pegged as saying instigated and made another reference to the perps being out of the area. I got the impression in the first, original article that the perps were, in his estimation, gone from a wider geographical area and not just from a town or neighborhood.

(03-07-2011, 10:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 04:11 PM)van64 Wrote: So if it was a professional hit, it almost certainly revolved around drugs. I think everyone here on this thread will agree with that. If it was NOT a professional hit it could have been drugs, robbery, a crime of passion or all three...and a lot of people early on were in agreement that the perp(s) had killed before which would make at least one of them a serial killer...so if it was NOT a professional hit, who do you think the perps have killed before? A friend? A random stranger? Someone in a robbery gone awry?

I hadn't thought about whether the perps have killed before. It's possible they haven't. There are people 'out there' that would kill someone for $5,000.. (I just grabbed that amt off the top of my head) Someone desperate for money, hmmm now you have me thinking about it!

I believe the magic number for being labelled a serial killer is 3. So someone is only one murder away from being a serial killer.

(03-07-2011, 11:07 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: [/size]

(03-07-2011, 02:24 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 12:35 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: About the comments that we all "deserve equal protection and efforts to solve crimes should NOT vary"... In a perfect world that would be the case, but the reality is that there are NOT enough resources to permit this.
The resources must be applied in a descending order of priority weighed against workload at hand. I believe this case will be solved but convictions may be tough to get because eveyone "Won't Snitch" and LE has to work some leverage here and progress is slow. I would not want their job and I am glad they are there and do what they do. This is the type of job you can't help but take home with you. It can disturb your sleep and disrupt your marriage and relationships with people you love.

Make no mistake about it, LE is not there because they are kind hearted and they are not in LE for altruistic reasons. LE are paid well for what they do, very well relative to other occupations, and YOU pay their salaries and I pay their salaries. The money used to pay their salaries, benefits, disability insurances and the very generous retirement system that is common to all public employees, does not drop out of the air and land in their laps. YOU and I pay for it...not every cent of it of course, since LE personnel pay taxes also, but you and I pay the vast majority of what it takes for them to do their jobs.

Just take away their pay, their disability insurances, their retirement benefits...and see how long they do what they do.

YOU say, "Make no mistake about it, LE is not there because they are KIND hearted and they are not in LE for ALTRUISITC reasons." The antonym to kind is "CRUEL" and the antonym to altruistic is "SELFISH." So, you just categorized EVERYONE in LE as "CRUEL and SELFISH" people!!

And as far as PAY goes, it is BEYOND ME how you think they "are paid well for what they do." Most people in LE that I know are struggling to get by with the little that they do make.

Somehow, I am guessing that YOU would NOT be the type to put YOUR life on the line for OTHERS!! And yet, NOT only do you have an incredibly LOW opinion of those that do, you basically summarize them as cruel and selfish, AND place LESS than MINIMAL VALUE on their LIVES by expressing that they "are paid well for what they do."

"... and YOU pay their salaries and I pay their salaries." You also seem to think that you OWN LE, repeatedly emphasizing that YOU pay their salaries. Do you own your doctor, your landscaper, your babysitter, your college professor, your mechanic, your lawyer, or the customer service rep answering calls from India? Make no mistake about it, YOU and I PAY the SALARIES of THESE PEOPLE TOO!!!

"Just take away their pay, their disability insurances, their retirement benefits...and see how long they do what they do." REALLY?!?!?!?!! If you stop paying the electric bill, how long do your lights stay on?!? Seriously, I think you will find it hard to find someone to agree with you here!! Maybe I should HIRE YOU- here's the deal, no pay, no insurance, no benefits!! How long would YOU, or anyone for that matter, stick around to a job with no pay or benefits?

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed again did we?

(03-07-2011, 11:40 PM)4shannon4 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 11:25 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 05:49 PM)LytoMe Wrote: Didn't Maytee state in her FB post that she knew more than "mockers". I might just be blinded by the 792 pages of thread :O...but I thought she said that...sounds like she may hold the key to what happened if she knows so much. I would love to have her enlighten us on her knowledge. After catching up on all the pages, I have come to the conclusion that Tiffany was an easy target for Maytee. She QUICKLY said to the 911 operator, she set up my son. WHY on earth would you accuse someone that she never met until that night. What facts does Maytee have? DOES ANYONE know if Maytee and John, Sr. are still together???

I don't know if she posted that comment or not. And I tend to agree, Tiffany was an easy target. I'd like to know her facts, also, now that you mention it. I haven't heard if Maytee & John live together or not.

Yes they live together.

4shannon4 do you have the full size version of your avatar pic? I don't think I have seen that one, and it looks like such a sweet pic

(03-07-2011, 11:29 PM)truth be told Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 05:09 AM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:24 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: If you look at Maytee's postings, they are different, often, in
style and spelling errors. I think there are two people posting.
Just study them. There are different but consistently different
styles.

Maybe she has a split personality? Jekyll and Hyde?

Yes, she has actually been medically diagnosed as bi-polar.

I'm certainly not defending Maytee but split personality is much different than bi-polar. Bi-polar is just another word for manic-depressive. That means someone vascilates from periods of depression to periods of mania. Her behavior could certainly qualify as manic. Absolutely!! Stress can bring on bouts of mania or going off her meds could as well. Her rantings could be described as manic. I can't even believe I never thought of that diagnosis as a cause of her bizarre behavior. I'm anxious to see her on the news tonight. It will be brief though because they never give alot of time to any one story. 15 more minutes.