New Mexico becomes 17th US state to legalize same-sex marriage
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The ruling by the New Mexico Supreme Court today:
...barring individuals from marrying and depriving them of the rights, protections, and responsibilities of civil marriage solely because of their sexual orientation violates the Equal Protection Clause under Article II, Section 18 of the New Mexico Constitution. We hold that the State of New Mexico is constitutionally required to allow same-gender couples to marry and must extend to them the rights, protections, and responsibilities that derive from civil marriage under New Mexico law.
Picturing an ornery dick with smoke pouring out of his ears, swigging a half-empty tequila bottle, kicking the legs of his rustic handmade desk and drafting a protest letter to his elected Congresspersons.
Some kids born today will one day laugh that there once was a time when people who loved each other weren't allowed to legally marry.
Kids born 20, 30 and 40 years ago are doing that now.
It seems absurd that there even is a vote on it. How highly you must think of yourself to think you should have the right to dictate what consenting adults do when it doesn't affect you in any way.
(12-19-2013, 04:31 PM)crash Wrote: [ -> ]Kids born 20, 30 and 40 years ago are doing that now.
I meant in the sense that they won't know anything different.
(12-19-2013, 04:19 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Picturing an ornery dick with smoke pouring out of his ears, swigging a half-empty tequila bottle, kicking the legs of his rustic handmade desk and drafting a protest letter to his elected Congresspersons.
Yeah I'll bet he's putting the bunting up right now!
I can remember when he compared the population density of New Mexico to London! It was a case of London is a huge European metropolis you arse headed simpleton!
Jesus.
(12-20-2013, 12:32 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2013, 04:19 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Picturing an ornery dick with smoke pouring out of his ears, swigging a half-empty tequila bottle, kicking the legs of his rustic handmade desk and drafting a protest letter to his elected Congresspersons.
Yeah I'll bet he's putting the bunting up right now!
I can remember when he compared the population density of New Mexico to London! It was a case of London is a huge European metropolis you arse headed simpleton!
Jesus.
I really did laugh at a lot of your exchanges, though I wasn't around long enough to catch too many of them before you left for a while and then he left altogether.
He used to say, if you let gays marry, what's next - a man marrying a tree!? Cracked me up.
Now that plural marriage was legalized in one of the most conservative states, shortly after two other states had legalized same sex marriage (and just before same sex marriage was legalized in his state), I picture him hollering, "I told you so, I told you so!".
Its seems to be a conservative trait an old Tory conservative fart said, when asked about gay marriage, something along the lines of “ok so what next? sisters marrying brothers? A man marrying his dog?”
Its like, you can't compare being gay with incest and bestiality you silly old fart!
I don't ever consider anyone's love life my business. Why would anyone?
I'm not sure I understand the difference between a white Mormon male siring multiple children with multiple women and a non-Mormon bllack man siring multiple children with multiple women. Seems no different to me.
Why aren't more people offended by 'plural' marriage?
I think the offense you talk about with the non Mormon black guy siring numerous children to numerous mothers is that the stereotype is he is rarely around to take care of them, financially or emotionally.
(12-20-2013, 06:42 PM)crash Wrote: [ -> ]I think the offense you talk about with the non Mormon black guy siring numerous children to numerous mothers is that the stereotype is he is rarely around to take care of them, financially or emotionally.
Absolutely.
And if 50% of marriages in this country end in divorce, plural marriage will most likely create the same situations: men leaving their wives and children.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe Mormons are different.
I don't really see what being offended has to do with it, MS.
There are married guys out there who sexualize women other than their own wives; it's true.
While I don't personally find that offensive most of the time, some people do. Do you think such behavior should therefore be prohibited by law?
Legally policing morality or prohibiting consenting adult interaction is what offends my senses.
Anyway, your freedom to be offended shouldn't limit somebody else's freedom to express themselves and live their lives their way. IMO.
I personally feel that men need to be in their children's lives. I don't get how a dad could hop from family to family to family and be legit. But, I've been wrong before.
So my dislike for plural marriage really comes down to those men that will father children with many women.
Plural marriages without kids are cool by me. You're right, if consenting adults are okay with it so be it.
Ah, I see. It's "for the children", again.
They're not your kids, so if they're wanted and not being abused or neglected, I don't really see how that motivates your "dislike". They're all under the same roof, so dad's presumably there for them equally.
It doesn't really matter that I don't embrace your view. though. I accept it and tolerate it, which is really all that most people ask when it comes to differences in beliefs and lifestyles.
Anyway, plenty of kids in nuclear families are treated like dog shit, while other kids who have half-siblings from a couple or a few different moms or dads are well cared-for and loved.
Personally, plural marriage is a major turn off to me for my own reasons. Honestly, I think the people who engage in it are weird and gluttons for punishment. That's admittedly based on my own biases, and I have very limited exposure to their lifestyles and beliefs (very little interest, too). But, hey, they might well think that I'm weird for choosing to be monogamous and having no interest in legal marriage.
Since we're not forcing our lifestyles on each other, it's nothing that concerns me.
You've never been interested in getting married?
I know it's not because there've been a lack of suitors.
Was it something that developed gradually or have you known since your youth that it wasn't for you?
If you don't care to answer, I understand.
It's a preference based on personal philosophy regarding state intervention into personal matters and personal independence; not a result of anything missing or negative in terms of relationships. I've had really good long-term relationships that weren't any less fulfilling without a piece of paper or a tax break (along with a couple of flings and such along the way).
I just never felt compelled to make my commitments to the men that I loved/love "legal". Maybe if I had children, it would seem more appealing or necessary.
Anyway, just like I think consenting adults of all lifestyles should have the freedom to marry, I enjoy the fact that I have the freedom not to.
My aunt shares the same beliefs.
Have any of the men in your life tried to make it 'legal'?
(12-20-2013, 09:17 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]It's a preference based on personal philosophy regarding state intervention into personal matters and personal independence; not a result of anything missing or negative in terms of relationships. I've had really good long-term relationships that weren't any less fulfilling without a piece of paper or a tax break (along with a couple of flings and such along the way).
I just never felt compelled to make my commitments to the men that I loved/love "legal". Maybe, if I had children, it would seem more appealing or necessary.
Anyway, just like I think consenting adults of all lifestyles should have the freedom to marry, I enjoy the fact that I have the freedom not to.
I feel the same about marriage. I'm only married because after dating my husband for a year he got a letter in the mail saying to change his status or get the fuck out of the country. So we were forced to get married just to be able to stay together.
Yes, MS.
My unwillingness to go there ended two really good relationships; one after 3 years and the other after 5 years.
But, I was always honest about it up front and they weren't sudden or tumultuous break ups (though there was definitely sadness involved). I am still friends with both of them, and they both have wives and children (well, one has a couple of ex-wives and is engaged now).
Okay, that's enough about me, MS. This ends the Q & A session.
