(09-03-2015, 01:54 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]Quick.............marry the fags before she gets out!!! Geez!!
Kim Davis' staff heard your call, Mags.
The two couples that had been repeatedly denied marriage licenses got them today.
Davis remains in jail. There were protesters outside. Some with rainbow signs that read, "small town, not small minds", and others with opposing signs that read, "sodomy is a sin!"
Her fourth and current husband told reporters that the Judge is "a bully" and "a butt".
Some Tea Party peeps like Ted Cruz have gotten all hell-fired up in championing Davis.
I think Cruz and company would be wise to consider how moronic they looked having turned Cliven Bundy -- the militia-backed, tax-evading, slavery-promoting, federal law-breaker -- into a sort of party symbol. They couldn't cut his ass loose fast enough when the flood gates opened though; nor he theirs.
As for Davis, I understand the evangelicals don't seem to care that she's an adulterer. But will they run for the hills now that it's been revealed that KIM DAVIS IS A ............................DEMOCRAT!?!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim....html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/us/kim...riage.html
(09-04-2015, 07:23 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (09-04-2015, 12:07 AM)Donovan Wrote: [ -> ]World of difference between that and the civil rights movement, troll.
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I think Tiggs got laid this morning. He came through the dogie door this morning panting and had this same look on his face.
The husband of the woman jailed was asked if she were going to resign and his response was "Oh, God no. She's not going to resign at all. It's a matter of telling Bunning he ain't the boss."
Bunning is Judge Bunning, the person who jailed her.
Until this happened to her, she was just another faceless nameless troll. Now she has hit the bigtime, she is the poster child for self righteous fanatical religious extremism. From what I have seen she is turning into somewhat of a martyr.
What follows is the oath of office that Kim Davis would have taken -
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of ——————— according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God."
She's saying all the licenses that have been issued since she's been incarcerated are invalid because they don't have her signature. I read they're unsigned (which is odd...you'd think one of her deputies that aren't supporting her could sign) but the county still says they're valid--even absent a signature.
If I read correctly she has a son who is one of the deputies...he's the only one who is also refusing to issue the licenses.
She is the anti-Rosa Parks.
If anyone thought it would be easy once the Supreme court made a decision they are quite mistaken. Making a law takes years to become assimilated into society. And when a law is made that is contested as this one was there is quite a bit of personal obligation that comes out. People must remember that over 40% disagreed with this law. What is 40% of the U.S. population?
There will be more. You just cannot change peoples minds with the swipe of a pen.
Right or wrong its the truth. You cannot legislate morality.
This is about someone fulfilling their oath of office and doing the job they were elected to do. If she can't do it, step down. She says she works for God. Well, God doesn't sign her paycheck.
(09-06-2015, 05:15 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
This is about someone fulfilling their oath of office and doing the job they were elected to do. If she can't do it, step down. She says she works for God. Well, God doesn't sign her paycheck.
So you are now ready to impeach the Great BO (pbuh) for picking and choosing what laws he will enforce?
Oh for fuckssake, now you're bringing him into this? Is there a reason you can't just comment on that twat Kim Davis not doing her job?
Go ahead and tell us all what laws Obama is picking & choosing to enforce.
What is immigration for 200.00 Alex.
That creep Bush started it!
There will be people who refuse to acknowledge marriage equality as a right under the law for a while; that's no surprise. It happened when equal rights were extended to include women, blacks, inter-racial couples, etc...
If those resisters are government employees who refuse to provide services to gays -- in regards to marriage or anything else, based on their interpretations of Christianity -- then they're doing so in violation of the Constitution.
As agents of the government, their religious beliefs are to be kept separate from their public service governance/duties. But, of course, they're free as doves to exercise whatever religion they choose when they're off the government clock.
That's the law, and it's consistently been confirmed under Supreme Court rulings regarding the "separation of church and state" intent in the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the First Amendment.
America is not the "United Christian States" by intent. We will never be under government/state religion like the "Jewish State of Israel" or the "Islamic State of Iran", unless the First Amendment is amended.
As I see it, Christians aren't under attack in the Kim Davis story and ones like it. Rather, the Constitution is being disregarded and maligned by some conservative Christians.
I don't have a problem with Christians, Jews, Muslims...practicing their religions freely -- that is their personal/individual right, as it should be.
But, the fact that some very conservative Christians feel entitled to impose their personal beliefs on the government and re-write governmental job descriptions to suit their fancies is not righteous.
And, the fact that some Christians thereby marginalize the beliefs of millions of other Christians whose beliefs do not include God condemning gays or gay marriage is also not righteous, in my opinion. It's like an extremist trifecta, as I see it: (1) condemn gay unions based on what they believe God wants (though nowhere is that stated in the Bible), (2) disregard or attempt to redefine the Constitution to justify that condemnation, and (3) consequently dismiss the beliefs and deride the morals of other Christians in the process.
In the private sector, on the other hand, states and localities still largely determine to what extent employers can mandate/allow themselves and their employees to refuse service on religious grounds.
In today's news, I read what I consider to be the equivalent of the Kim Davis story (in the private sector).
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^ Charee Stanley is a flight attendant from Michigan. She converted to Islam and is now a devout Muslim; just like Kim Davis joined the church a few years ago and is now a devout Christian.
Charee can not in good conscience serve alcohol to passengers because it's against her Muslim religious beliefs. Unlike Kim Davis, Charee didn't attempt to tell alcohol-consuming passengers that they were sinners. Instead, she made arrangements for other flight attendants to serve alcohol for her. After several months, one of her fellow employees filed a complaint with the airline and Charee was suspended.
"We notified ExpressJet Airlines of its obligation under the law to reasonably accommodate Ms. Stanley's religious beliefs," her lawyer Masri said at a news conference in Farmington Hills on Tuesday. "Instead, ExpressJet close to violate Ms. Stanely's constitutional rights, placed her on administrative leave for 12 months, after which her employment may be administratively terminated."
"I don't think that I should have to choose between practicing my religion properly or earning a living," Stanley said. "I shouldn't have to choose between one or the other because they're both important."
Story:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel...index.html
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I assume that those who feel that Kim Davis' Constitutional rights are being violated also believe that Charee Stanley's Constitutional rights are being violated?
There are plenty of officials who take the oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States who act contrarily. Whether it's flouting immigration law like the officials in sanctuary cities, to low level clerks not issuing marriage licenses to gay/lesbian couples, it's been going on for a long time.
Yeah - that's true, Jimbone.
I'm addressing this specific case as it pertains to marriage equality for gays, Constitutionality, and claims by some that Kim Davis' incarceration is symbolic of an attack on religious freedoms or like a modern-day persecution of Jews.
(09-06-2015, 12:35 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]claims by some that Kim Davis' incarceration is symbolic of an attack on religious freedoms or a modern-day persecution of Jews.
and they admit that publicly. They should hang their heads in shame. Jesus.
Those claims are specious. spurious, supercilious, and just plain silly.
(09-06-2015, 10:14 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]In the private sector, on the other hand, states and localities still largely determine to what extent employers can mandate/allow themselves and their employees to refuse service on religious grounds.
In today's news, I read what I consider to be the equivalent of the Kim Davis story (in the private sector).
Charee Stanley is a flight attendant from Michigan. She converted to Islam and is now a devout Muslim; just like Kim Davis joined the church a few years ago and is now a devout Christian.
Charee can not in good conscience serve alcohol to passengers because it's against her Muslim religious beliefs. Unlike Kim Davis, Charee didn't attempt to tell alcohol-consuming passengers that they were sinners. Instead, she made arrangements for other flight attendants to serve alcohol for her. After several months, one of her fellow employees filed a complaint with the airline and Charee was suspended.
"We notified ExpressJet Airlines of its obligation under the law to reasonably accommodate Ms. Stanley's religious beliefs," her lawyer Masri said at a news conference in Farmington Hills on Tuesday. "Instead, ExpressJet close to violate Ms. Stanely's constitutional rights, placed her on administrative leave for 12 months, after which her employment may be administratively terminated."
"I don't think that I should have to choose between practicing my religion properly or earning a living," Stanley said. "I shouldn't have to choose between one or the other because they're both important."
Story: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel...index.html
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I assume that those who feel that Kim Davis' Constitutional rights are being violated also believe that Charee Stanley's Constitutional rights are being violated?
Geez. It is similar and I have a real problem when employees start telling their employers what they will/won't do based on their religion. It's one thing to insist on being able to cover her head (for example) but serving alcohol? SHE'S not drinking the alcohol, her job is to fill orders from the travelers. Next up...a Mormon waitress that refuses to serve coffee.
(09-06-2015, 12:39 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2015, 12:35 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]claims by some that Kim Davis' incarceration is symbolic of an attack on religious freedoms or a modern-day persecution of Jews.
and they admit that publicly. They should hang their heads in shame. Jesus.
I've read Kim Davis' plight being compared to the plight of the Jews in Nazi Germany more than a few times.
Talk about outrageously inapplicable drama-llamamery.
Way to grossly minimize the true religious persecution and mass murder of millions of Jews, assholes.
When I pay too much attention to current events I get scared. It's frightening to know there are so many people like the ones I read about. I don't want to have anything to do with those people. I rarely even make eye contact in public any more because I think most of society is batshit crazy. I no longer flip the bird to the nuts on the road either because I don't know that someone won't pull a gun on me for something as insignificant as that.