01-06-2013, 06:30 AM
More guns make the world a safer place.
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More guns make the world a safer place.
01-06-2013, 09:00 AM
(01-06-2013, 12:19 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]Pro-Gun freaks are just as nauseating as Anti-Gun freaks.
IMO its not one side or the other that is nauseating. Its the fact that both sides cant get together and have a conversation about this without arguing. If there could be sensable conversations like we have ben having here it would go a long way to solving this problem.
01-06-2013, 09:13 AM
Here is a old list I found. I dont know how accurate it is today, but my bet is it is much weaker than the list we will see when it comes out.
http://www.guns.com/2012/11/30/obama-gun-ban-list/
below was from a 2009 write up he did based off of HR 1022:
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
http://www.guns.com/2012/11/30/obama-gun-ban-list/
below was from a 2009 write up he did based off of HR 1022:
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
01-06-2013, 09:23 AM
Ted Nugent’s open letter to Joe Biden on guns
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/02/ted-nugen...n-on-guns/
NUGENT: Open letter to Joe Biden on guns
‘Gun control’ won’t save lives
Joe,
Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.
As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these slaughters.
As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to end these tragedies.
As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference. If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.
In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:
I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.
Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.
You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields. I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.
Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.
I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools.
I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.
I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.
Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ted Nugent
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/02/ted-nugen...n-on-guns/
NUGENT: Open letter to Joe Biden on guns
‘Gun control’ won’t save lives
Joe,
Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.
As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these slaughters.
As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to end these tragedies.
As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference. If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.
In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:
I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.
Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.
You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields. I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.
Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.
I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools.
I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.
I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.
Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ted Nugent
01-06-2013, 09:37 AM
Here is a good video explaining the difference between a assault rifle and a sporting rifle like the media is calling a assault rifle. The video also shows how little difference banning large capacity mags would do by showing the time difference between 20 rounds fired through a single mag and 20 rounds fired through two separate mags with a mag change in the middle.
I suggest everyone that is unfamiliar with firearms take the time to watch the video in this link.
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/02/assault-r...ube-video/
I suggest everyone that is unfamiliar with firearms take the time to watch the video in this link.
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/02/assault-r...ube-video/
01-06-2013, 11:19 AM
Interesting video F.U. I've learned a lot here and elsewhere about guns themselves and historical/existing/proposed laws and agendas since December. I'll likely never own a gun, but I think it's important to understand as much as possible about any proposed federal regulations imposed on all citizens (whether those regulations are interpreted as tying into Constitutional rights or not).
Legislation Timeline Update:
Senate Leader Mitch McConnell was interviewed today on "This Week". When he was asked about federal gun control legislation, he stated that it would be months before a review of Biden's report or any potential changes to the current laws would even be reviewed or addressed.
According to McConnell, the country's financial crisis will all but monopolize Congress in this first quarter 2013.
Legislation Timeline Update:
Senate Leader Mitch McConnell was interviewed today on "This Week". When he was asked about federal gun control legislation, he stated that it would be months before a review of Biden's report or any potential changes to the current laws would even be reviewed or addressed.
According to McConnell, the country's financial crisis will all but monopolize Congress in this first quarter 2013.
01-06-2013, 11:28 AM
(01-06-2013, 09:00 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 12:19 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]Pro-Gun freaks are just as nauseating as Anti-Gun freaks.
IMO its not one side or the other that is nauseating. Its the fact that both sides cant get together and have a conversation about this without arguing. If there could be sensable conversations like we have ben having here it would go a long way to solving this problem.
I think he was very angry when he posted this as the Vikings had just gotten finished taking it in the rear from the Packers.
01-06-2013, 11:45 AM
01-06-2013, 12:21 PM
(01-06-2013, 11:28 AM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 09:00 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 12:19 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]Pro-Gun freaks are just as nauseating as Anti-Gun freaks.
IMO its not one side or the other that is nauseating. Its the fact that both sides cant get together and have a conversation about this without arguing. If there could be sensable conversations like we have ben having here it would go a long way to solving this problem.
I think he was very angry when he posted this as the Vikings had just gotten finished taking it in the rear from the Packers.
?????? Since I am a Packer fan this puzzles me.
01-06-2013, 12:25 PM
(01-06-2013, 12:21 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]?????? Since I am a Packer fan this puzzles me.
Now he'll REALLY be pissed.
01-06-2013, 12:28 PM
(01-06-2013, 11:19 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting video F.U. I've learned a lot here and elsewhere about guns themselves and historical/existing/proposed laws and agendas since December. I'll likely never own a gun, but I think it's important to understand as much as possible about any proposed federal regulations imposed on all citizens (whether those regulations are interpreted as tying into Constitutional rights or not).
Legislation Timeline Update:
Senate Leader Mitch McConnell was interviewed today on "This Week". When he was asked about federal gun control legislation, he stated that it would be months before a review of Biden's report or any potential changes to the current laws would even be reviewed or addressed.
According to McConnell, the country's financial crisis will all but monopolize Congress in this first quarter 2013.
Yes I did watch McConnell this morning on This Week. I also watched the show, I forget its name, after this week. In that segment they talked about McConnell's comments and their statement was that McConnell had no choice but to discuss what ever Obummer told them to. I believe they said that The president would decide what and when things would be discussed.
01-06-2013, 12:30 PM
01-06-2013, 12:48 PM
(01-06-2013, 12:28 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]Yes I did watch McConnell this morning on This Week. I also watched the show, I forget its name, after this week. In that segment they talked about McConnell's comments and their statement was that McConnell had no choice but to discuss what ever Obummer told them to. I believe they said that The president would decide what and when things would be discussed.
I didn't see the follow-up F.U., but it doesn't surprise me.
Of course it's Obama's call as to when gun control gets addressed, but I think that McConnell's comments about priorities and timing were accurate and not surprising. Key national budgetary issues remain in limbo, emotions have calmed a bit on the gun front, and a good portion of Congress would rather have solid well-researched gun control proposals to consider than hasty ones based in part on knee-jerk reactions (in my view).
Sounds like the second commenter wanted to make it clear that no one overrides Obama's authority, and/or the commenter is an enthusiastic gun control advocate who wants quick action and didn't like McConnell's statements.
01-08-2013, 01:13 PM
(12-27-2012, 09:37 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]Snipped for space
An opinion on gun control
Posted on December 20, 2012 by correia45
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/1...n-control/
Armed Teachers
Police are awesome. I love working with cops. However, cops can’t be everywhere.
So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?
The teachers are there already. The school staff is there already. Their reaction time is measured in seconds, not minutes. They can serve as your immediate violent response. Best case scenario, they engage and stop the attacker, or it bursts his fantasy bubble and he commits suicide. Worst case scenario, the armed staff provides a distraction, and while he’s concentrating on killing them, he’s not killing more children.
Don’t make it mandatory. In my experience, the only people who are worth a darn with a gun are the ones who wish to take responsibility and carry a gun. Make it voluntary. It is rather simple. Just make it so that your state’s concealed weapons laws trump the Federal Gun Free School Zones act. All that means is that teachers who voluntarily decide to get a concealed weapons permit are capable of carrying their guns at work. Easy. Simple. Cheap. Available now.
As of today the state legislatures of Texas, Tennessee, and Oklahoma are looking at revamping their existing laws so that there can be legal guns in school. For those that are worried these teachers will be unprepared, I’m sure there would be no lack of instructors in those states who’d be willing to teach them for free.
Mr. Correia's approach seems to be gaining momentum.
School teachers in Texas and Ohio are flocking to free firearms classes in the wake of the Connecticut elementary school massacre, some vowing to protect their students with guns even at the risk of losing their jobs.
In Ohio, more than 900 teachers, administrators and school employees asked to take part in the Buckeye Firearms Association's newly created, three-day gun training program, the association said.
In Texas, an $85 Concealed Handgun License course offered at no cost to teachers filled 400 spots immediately, forcing the school to offer another class, one instructor said.
"Any teacher who is licensed and chooses to be armed should be able to be armed," said Gerald Valentino, co-founder of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "It should be every teacher's choice."
Ohio and Texas are not the first to offer no-cost arms training to teachers. Just days after the Connecticut mass murder, some 200 teachers in Utah underwent free instruction from gun activists.
http://news.msn.com/us/teachers-in-ohio-...ng-classes
01-08-2013, 01:16 PM
I think it's wonderful that they are being proactive.
Gawd, I sure hope there are no nutjob teachers being taught how to use a gun properly.
That's how my train of thought progressed reading that.
01-08-2013, 01:31 PM
(12-27-2012, 09:37 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]Posted on December 20, 2012 by correia45
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/1...n-control/
*snip*
In my experience, the only people who are worth a darn with a gun are the ones who wish to take responsibility and carry a gun.
*snip*
This is absolutely true.
01-08-2013, 03:03 PM
Update on the multi-agency task force to curb gun violence:
Snipped:
Biden will meet Wednesday with gun violence victims' groups and gun safety organizations, a White House official said. On Thursday, he will hold talks with gun ownership groups, as well as advocates for sportsmen. The vice president also plans to meet this week with representatives from the entertainment and video-game industries. The official was not authorized to discuss the meetings before they were publicly announced and thus spoke on condition of anonymity. (HOTD: Article also notes meeting with mental health professionals.)
But less than a month after the school shooting, gun control already has taken a backseat in Washington to economic issues. The president and lawmakers were consumed at year's end by efforts to avert the combination of spending cuts and tax hikes known as the "fiscal cliff." And Congress will face another set of equally pressing economic deadlines in March.
Biden's recommendations are likely to include proposals for legislation, as well as executive action Obama can sign into law without lawmakers' approval.
Full story here:
http://start.new.toshiba.com/news/read.p...wed&page=2
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I like that these proposals will address factors outside of the guns themselves. I don't think anything's gonna happen until after March, but I'm concerned about the President passing laws by "executive action without lawmaker's approval" bit. Not sure what that means, but gonna try to find out.
Snipped:
Biden will meet Wednesday with gun violence victims' groups and gun safety organizations, a White House official said. On Thursday, he will hold talks with gun ownership groups, as well as advocates for sportsmen. The vice president also plans to meet this week with representatives from the entertainment and video-game industries. The official was not authorized to discuss the meetings before they were publicly announced and thus spoke on condition of anonymity. (HOTD: Article also notes meeting with mental health professionals.)
But less than a month after the school shooting, gun control already has taken a backseat in Washington to economic issues. The president and lawmakers were consumed at year's end by efforts to avert the combination of spending cuts and tax hikes known as the "fiscal cliff." And Congress will face another set of equally pressing economic deadlines in March.
Biden's recommendations are likely to include proposals for legislation, as well as executive action Obama can sign into law without lawmakers' approval.
Full story here:
http://start.new.toshiba.com/news/read.p...wed&page=2
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I like that these proposals will address factors outside of the guns themselves. I don't think anything's gonna happen until after March, but I'm concerned about the President passing laws by "executive action without lawmaker's approval" bit. Not sure what that means, but gonna try to find out.
01-08-2013, 04:32 PM
(01-06-2013, 12:30 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 12:25 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 12:21 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]?????? Since I am a Packer fan this puzzles me.
Now he'll REALLY be pissed.
Ya know the old saying. Its better to be pissed off than pissed on. Well, that is unless you are into that. Hahahahaha.
Yep. I was in a very shitty mood when I made my comment about pro-gun freaks.
I will say that I think F.U. has been very gracious from his end (pro-gun supporter) during this most recent debate.
I may not agree with everything he writes or excerpts he posts, but he's done it a way that promotes dialogue, and I appreciate that.
My brother and dad are basically in the same corner as F.U., Jim and Maggot (as well as many others I'm sure).
I think what separates the two camps the most is just the general 'fascination' with guns. Again, I personally have been around them most of my life (started hunting with my dad when I was 4) but you know, it just never 'took off' with me.
I realized that the nature of the gun was to kill. Pure and simple. It's designed to kill. Period. I'm not a PETA freak. No sir. My step-dad has hunted his whole life, taught me to shoot, and has probably 20 guns in his home. He's also super responsible with his firearms. There's really no one I'd trust more with a gun in his hand.
But, for the people who've not been raised around guns, can you kind of understand why they think they are nothing but the easiest form of weaponry to kill someone? That if they 'weren't around' thousands of needless deaths worldwide would eliminated? Oh, I know, I know. People will find some other way to kill each other (BTW, that's the lamest line of all time).
There really is no middle ground on this issue. Either you love 'em or hate 'em (for the most part).
01-08-2013, 04:34 PM
Gabby Giffords and her husband have started on organization for "responsible gun ownership".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan...un-control
It's kind of sad but from what I've seen of her condition, I don't think she thought this up on her own by any means.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan...un-control
It's kind of sad but from what I've seen of her condition, I don't think she thought this up on her own by any means.
01-08-2013, 04:48 PM
(01-08-2013, 04:34 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]It's kind of sad but from what I've seen of her condition, I don't think she thought this up on her own by any means.
I don't think so either. She's come a long way but she has trouble reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
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