(06-18-2013, 09:32 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, I'm quite accustomed to speaking for myself, thank you very much! 
You run hot and cold HotD. Yesterday you were Duchess' parrot. Today you speak for yourself.
Oh Jesus Christ.
My turn!!!
^ Sounds like there's a song in there somewhere.
(06-18-2013, 12:16 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]I wish dick was here.
Is a gun a weapon or a tool? I believe the general consensus was a gun was a weapon and dick was a tool.
Yes. I remember that poll. I think it concluded that Dick was tool that thought it was a weapon.
Yeah!
Oh retardness thy name is dick.
I strongly support the provisions in the Executive Order and hope that Biden's status report here is accurate and not too over-inflated.
No matter what guns control laws are in place, improvements in existing background check processes, better emergency programs for schools, and more complete NICS records of mental illness are all beneficial. IMO.
Released today:
Despite the recent congressional failure to pass a comprehensive bill to strengthen gun safety laws, Vice President Joe Biden insisted Tuesday that the Obama administration has "not given up" on the pursuit of tougher gun laws - and that the momentum is actually moving in his favor.
The vice president, addressing gun safety in remarks at the White House, touted the administration's progress in enacting a series of executive actions aimed at reducing gun violence in America: Of the 23 he recommended to the president, Biden said, 21 have either been completed or are well on their way to completion. Among those steps include an end to the freeze on gun violence research; the creation of standardized emergency guidelines for schools and places of worship; the strengthening of existing background checks, and increased access to mental health care.
Full story:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-5758...-given-up/
Got a link to the executive orders?
They're upthread, Six, but it's been a while.
They're actually executive actions, which includes "regulation, enforcement, statements of policy... though "order" has sometimes been used by the media as well.
These are the 23 provisions of the Executive Action. Couple of gratuitous ones thrown in, as usual. The ones in bold are the ones that I'm most encouraged to see being undertaken.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
^ It's sounds easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than to imagine these 'laws' actually becoming viable in this country.
(06-19-2013, 09:56 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]^ It's sounds easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than to imagine these 'laws' actually becoming viable in this country.
But, do you start taking steps in attempt to accomplish a difficult goal, or do you throw your hands up and quit?
I think that's where I have a different perspective from some others on many issues, including reduced gun violence via controls without bans.
(06-19-2013, 10:01 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 09:56 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]^ It's sounds easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than to imagine these 'laws' actually becoming viable in this country.
But, do you start taking steps in attempt to make the right things to accomplish a difficult goal, or do you throw your hands up and quit?
I think that's where I have a different perspective from some others on some issues, including reduced gun violence via controls without bans.
I know you like to reference my 'quitters' attitude.
However, think about it.
How entrenched the gun enthusiasts are.
There's really not even the
slightest bit of compromise from their side.
The only response I've ever heard is: "Enforce the laws that are already on the books."
That's it. That's as good as it gets. (Good movie by the way).
Actually, MS, I wasn't referring specifically to you or anyone at Mock with that statement; just bouncing off your post. I see the same sentiment expressed a lot when it comes to difficult issues. General observation. I don't disagree that the number of obstacles to change can be daunting.
I was however including you specifically upthread, as one who seems to throws his hands in the air and quit, when you said that NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE, specific to gun control. This is where I disagree in that I don't think it has to be true (though I do agree that it will certainly be true if people stop trying).
Believe me, I understand your feeling after watching all that's transpired on this topic over the last 7 months. My hope for improvement may be futile, but I think you gotta keep trying. That's all.
If the actions are the right ones, I don't care if they're initiated by the left, the right, or the middle or if they're initiated in the wake of a tragedy or not. I think we're on the same page with that sentiment, on this issue - if I've understood you correctly.
(06-19-2013, 10:05 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]How entrenched the gun enthusiasts are.
There's really not even the slightest bit of compromise from their side.
This is a good point, we've already seen on numerous occasions in this very thread how unwilling the gun nuts are about making even the most miniscule of concessions. Their attitude, seemingly fuelled by paranoia and fear, seems to be “if we make that concession THEN WHAT WILL THEY WANT NEXT?!” They seem almost convinced if they make any concession they will be shafted and have all their precious guns taken away by the so called liberals.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
OK, no brainer
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
OK, no brainer
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
Why should we bribe them? How about requiring compliance with penalties?
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
OK, no brainer
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
OK, no brainer, would be nice to know where your stolen gun went
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
Umm, No, unless the private seller/purchaser requests it
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
The NRA already does a fine job of gun safety training
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
This is already done to one degree or another by the gun manufacturers, It could be done better, but I am not sure the govt can make it better
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
OK, no brainer
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
OK, no brainer
11. Nominate an ATF director.
OK, no brainer, why don't ya have one of those now?
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
OK, no brainer
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
OK, don't they do that already?
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
The CDC's job is diseases, its right there in the title. There has to be a better place to put this responsibility
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
This one should be rolled in there with #8
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Bullshit, its none of a Dr's business how many, what kind or even IF I have weapons in my house when I take the grandkids in for a shot. Dr's business is treating peoples afflictions and the prevention of disease, NOT Gun Control
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
No Shit
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
OK, no brainer
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
OK, no brainer, MODEL, not LAW
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
They already do that, why is Uncle Barry claiming this one?
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
WTF does this have to do with criminals and guns?
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
See #21
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
#20 to #23 should all roll up together If the goal is to get crazy people off the streets and somehow keep them away from guns
A more or less intelligent list of things that should have been going on forever, common sense mostly.
Note, very little of this was in the bill that got shut down.
Thanks for posting HOTD
(06-19-2013, 10:36 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ]A more or less intelligent list of things that should have been going on forever, common sense mostly.
Note, very little of this was in the bill that got shut down.
Thanks for posting HOTD
Yep, I agree, it's good to see some things that should have been going on forever now being addressed formally.
I'm glad that these actions weren't included in the bill (and are therefore moving forward); that was no accident.
Thanks for the insight on the specific points.
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