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Okay, F.U.

People can interpret the second amendment, and many other pieces of documentation, differently - depending on their views and agendas.

People can further dissect the grammar along those lines, using the exact same text or by comparing it to earlier drafts of the text.

I personally don't have any problem understanding the clause and don't interpret it differently according to comma count.

(12-16-2013, 12:43 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]I guess it depends on who you listen to HotD.
the National Archives contains a three comma version

And the Library of Congress, also shows the ratified version with one comma'


http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?col...recNum=144


The difference between the 1 comma and 3 commas, from what I am reading , is this.
The first unusual comma– between "Militia" and "being"– forces the reader to search for a verb for which "Militia" is the subject. That verb does not appear until "shall not be infringed" near the end of the Amendment. The second unusual comma– between "Arms" and "shall"– sets off the verb phrase "shall not be infringed" from the preceding language; it suggests that the subject for this verb phrase is not simply "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms." The grammatical effect of these two unusual commas is to link "A well regulated Militia" to "shall not be infringed" to emphasize, in other words, that the goal of the Amendment is to protect the militia against federal interference.

If I ever have a nit that needs picking I'm coming to your house!

Lol.

I don't understand people who don't think the mortal desire of people not to be killed by a certain kind of gun is more important than the purely material desire of people who want to own a certain kind of gun. Desire for life should override desire for purely material things.

(12-20-2013, 03:22 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand people who don't think the mortal desire of people not to be killed by a certain kind of gun is more important than the purely material desire of people who want to own a certain kind of gun. Desire for life should override desire for purely material things.

My right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is less important than some dumb fucks right to own a semi automatic weapon with high capacity clips. Go figure.

If you live in Chicago you're pretty much saying "yeah, go ahead and shoot me". It's kind of expected there.

No one has ever answered my question as to why I'm not entitled to own some RPG's and a few nuclear missiles.

I don't know how the fuck I'm supposed to protect myself without those. I'd like some drone detectors/busters too please. Drone radar, surface to air missiles...

You listening Santa???

Innocent people (including children) are dying and all some people can think of is “but I want this gun!” As though that can ever be more important than an innocent persons life.

“But gun control won't work!” One word, Australia.

(12-20-2013, 03:47 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]My right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is less important than some dumb fucks right to own a semi automatic weapon with high capacity clips. Go figure.

Life? Pah!, liberty? Bah! Happiness? Gah!

What if my life, liberty and happiness is reliant on having an arsenal of the worlds deadliest firearms?

(12-20-2013, 04:19 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-20-2013, 03:47 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]My right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is less important than some dumb fucks right to own a semi automatic weapon with high capacity clips. Go figure.

Life? Pah!, liberty? Bah! Happiness? Gah!

What if my life, liberty and happiness is reliant on having an arsenal of the worlds deadliest firearms?

We should make a separate country for those people. I think Texas wanted to secede for awhile...

I don't care if people want to own guns; it's the shooting innocent people (and childhood "accidents") part that bugs me. A few bad apples are fucking it up for the bunch IMO.What if we just institute a ban on bullets?? I don't recall bullets being specifically mentioned in the 2^nd amendment.

Seriously, go back to the types of weapons they had when they wrote those words or give me a god damn nuclear arsenal. Jesus

(12-21-2013, 05:49 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-20-2013, 04:19 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-20-2013, 03:47 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]My right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is less important than some dumb fucks right to own a semi automatic weapon with high capacity clips. Go figure.

Life? Pah!, liberty? Bah! Happiness? Gah!

What if my life, liberty and happiness is reliant on having an arsenal of the worlds deadliest firearms?

We should make a separate country for those people. I think Texas wanted to secede for awhile...

I don't care if people want to own guns; it's the shooting innocent people (and childhood "accidents") part that bugs me. A few bad apples are fucking it up for the bunch IMO.What if we just institute a ban on bullets?? I don't recall bullets being specifically mentioned in the 2^nd amendment.

Seriously, go back to the types of weapons they had when they wrote those words or give me a god damn nuclear arsenal. Jesus

All of which would probably be all fine and good especially when all the criminals get on board.

Family starts new year with a bang - 2 year old shot

A man was arrested in Camden, N.J., after police said he accidentally shot his 2-year-old son on New Years Eve.

Sergio Rivera, 38, was reportedly driving at approximately 11 p.m. Tuesday when he attempted to conceal a handgun in the car's center console and accidentally fired the weapon, shooting his son in the left arm and left leg.

The boy is recovering at an area hospital and is expected to live. Police said the boy's mother and grandmother were in the car when the shooting occurred.

Rivera drove to the hospital after the shooting, but was uncooperative with investigators. He was arrested on charges including endangering the welfare of a child, possession of a weapon, and aggravated assault.

Police recovered the gun and found Rivera in possession of Percocet pills. He is being held on $185,000 bail, according to officials.

“Our prayers are with this child as he recovers,” Camden Police Chief J. Scott Thomson said in a statement. “Regardless of whether the shooting was intentional or accidental, it’s the culture of violence and the illegal possessing of firearms that lies at the heart of our greatest challenge in reducing gun crime.”
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I hope the toddler pulls through; Rivera is an irresponsible gun owner and I'm glad he's being held and charged. His whole damned family was in the car and he's fucking around with a loaded weapon while driving. What a dipshit.

However, I don't agree with Chief Thompson's statement that this particular case highlights how the culture of violence and illegal possession is the greatest challenge in reducing gun crime. Doesn't even make sense to me. This wasn't an intentional act of violence, nor would it likely have mattered if the gun was owned legally or illegally in this case; struck me as an odd statement.

This is a crime of negligence, based on the details released. IMO.

I agree with you illegal? Legal? Who cares? Culture of violence? Meh.

This is all about an irresponsible twat popping pills and waving a loaded gun around in his car.

If you are accidentally shooting your two year old son? sorry but no more guns for you asshole.

Yet Another crazy motherfucker chooses a hospital to cap himself

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-daytona-h...3107.story


Man kills himself after shooting rampage at Daytona hospital

A man shot himself to death at a Daytona Beach hospital early Sunday after firing at several cars and attacking a pair of nurses.

The shooting happened at about 4 a.m. at Halifax Health Medical Center, which is located on Clyde Morris Boulevard not far from Daytona International Speedway.

The shooter was identified as Jonathan G. Rodriguez-Jeff, 20. His last known address was in Deltona, according to Daytona Beach police.

Police were alerted to a man firing a shotgun at a vehicle on Clyde Morris, then to shots fired at the hospital.

According to police, Rodriguez-Jeff crashed his vehicle through the hospital's west gate, and fired at several vehicles in the hospital parking lot. No one was injured outside the hospital.

He then shot out the glass doors at the hospital entrance, went to a second floor room where he confronted a nurse and a patient, reportedly asking them "do you guys want to die tonight?"

He then went to another room, confronting another patient and nurse, then shot himself in the head in that room.

During his rampage Rodriguez-Jeff also struck two nurses with the butt of the shotgun, according to police spokesman Jimmie Flynt. The nurses were treated for minor injuries and released.

Flynt said Daytona police had never previously had contact with the shooter.

"We may never know why he did this," Flynt said.

The 678-bed hospital was locked down for about 20 minutes during the incident, but has since reopened.

There is no known connection between Rodriguez-Jeff and the hospital, patients or staff, according to Halifax spokeswoman Tangela Boyd.

Federal District Judge Rules Against Handgun Ban, Citing Second Amendment Rights




U.S. District Court Judge Edmond E. Chang wrote in a 35-page opinion published Monday that Chicago’s 2010 ordinance banning gun sales within city limits “goes too far in outright banning legal buyers and legal dealers from engaging in lawful acquisitions and lawful sales of firearms.”

Though Chang stayed his ruling to give the city a chance to appeal — and said a less restrictive ordinance than the unconstitutional blanket ban could yet pass muster — lawyers for the Illinois Association of Firearm Retailers were quick to predict that neighborhood gun stores could now open before the end of 2014.

The ruling is the latest in a series of legal blows to the city’s efforts to restrict gun ownership since the Supreme Court in 2010 ruled Chicago’s handgun ban unconstitutional.

City Hall attorneys had argued that the gun sale ban makes it harder for criminals to get their hands on weapons.

Chang agreed the city had a “fundamental duty” to protect its citizens and acknowledged that “the stark reality facing the City each year is thousands of shooting victims and hundreds of murders committed with a gun.”

But he wrote that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for self-defense “must also include the right to acquire a firearm.”

Full Story: http://www.suntimes.com/24803458-761/fed...ional.html

I see absolutely NO point in passing laws state by state with regards to gun ownership. For certain, the only people that would even pay any attention to the gun ownership laws in their particular state are the mostly responsible gun owners (and even those, I can see having a gun or two in their "collection" that isn't necessarily legal in their state.

Waste of time unless the laws are changed at the federal level.

Pointless.

The vast majority of the spree killing nutters used legally acquired firearms and more general criminals will buy their guns illegally anyway.

But tougher gun laws can work. My old mate Seans family are....what's the word?...oh yeah gangsters! And he said it is now extremely difficult to get your hands on illegal firearms in the UK especially after Dunblane.

And that's straight from the horses mouth.

(01-05-2014, 07:03 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ]Yet Another crazy motherfucker chooses a hospital to cap himself

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-daytona-h...3107.story


Man kills himself after shooting rampage at Daytona hospital

A man shot himself to death at a Daytona Beach hospital early Sunday after firing at several cars and attacking a pair of nurses.

The shooting happened at about 4 a.m. at Halifax Health Medical Center, which is located on Clyde Morris Boulevard not far from Daytona International Speedway.

The shooter was identified as Jonathan G. Rodriguez-Jeff, 20. His last known address was in Deltona, according to Daytona Beach police.

Police were alerted to a man firing a shotgun at a vehicle on Clyde Morris, then to shots fired at the hospital.

According to police, Rodriguez-Jeff crashed his vehicle through the hospital's west gate, and fired at several vehicles in the hospital parking lot. No one was injured outside the hospital.

He then shot out the glass doors at the hospital entrance, went to a second floor room where he confronted a nurse and a patient, reportedly asking them "do you guys want to die tonight?"

He then went to another room, confronting another patient and nurse, then shot himself in the head in that room.

During his rampage Rodriguez-Jeff also struck two nurses with the butt of the shotgun, according to police spokesman Jimmie Flynt. The nurses were treated for minor injuries and released.

Flynt said Daytona police had never previously had contact with the shooter.

"We may never know why he did this," Flynt said.

The 678-bed hospital was locked down for about 20 minutes during the incident, but has since reopened.

There is no known connection between Rodriguez-Jeff and the hospital, patients or staff, according to Halifax spokeswoman Tangela Boyd.

Right behind the ER part of that hospital is where the ghetto starts. He was probably high out of his mind when he went there. At least he only killed himself and no one else.

Well, she's obviously trying to use this incident as an opportunity to push a gun rights agenda and minimize her own gross negligence, which could have rendered fatal results, but she's just another irresponsible dumbass with a gun, IMO.



Rep. Leslie Combs says she “accidentally discharged a firearm” in her legislative office in the Capitol Annex in Frankfort, Ky., Tuesday, in a statement obtained by CBS News’ Crimesider.

No one was injured in the incident, which was investigated by the Kentucky State Police’s legislative detail.

Combs said she followed “standard safety procedures when the accident occurred” and that police found no evidence that any portion of the round traveled outside her office.

She said she has a concealed-carry permit which she obtained several years ago.

“I strongly support our Second Amendment rights and our state’s concealed-carry law, and believe just as strongly that gun safety and education must be part of that equation,” she said. “I urge everyone to be extremely cautious with their firearm. I know from personal experience how easy it is to discharge a firearm accidentally.”

Perhaps FU can confirm this but I read somewhere that you can get a hunting licence in Iowa if you are legally blind.

I think this law was brought in by deer and ducks.

“Can you see me?”, “nope”, “cool! here's a rifle shoot and hope you blind motherfucker!”

(01-08-2014, 05:46 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Well, she's obviously trying to use this incident as an opportunity to push a gun rights agenda and minimize her own gross negligence, which could have rendered fatal results, but she's just another irresponsible dumbass with a gun, IMO.



Rep. Leslie Combs says she “accidentally discharged a firearm” in her legislative office in the Capitol Annex in Frankfort, Ky., Tuesday, in a statement obtained by CBS News’ Crimesider.

No one was injured in the incident, which was investigated by the Kentucky State Police’s legislative detail.

Combs said she followed “standard safety procedures when the accident occurred” and that police found no evidence that any portion of the round traveled outside her office.

She said she has a concealed-carry permit which she obtained several years ago.

“I strongly support our Second Amendment rights and our state’s concealed-carry law, and believe just as strongly that gun safety and education must be part of that equation,” she said. “I urge everyone to be extremely cautious with their firearm. I know from personal experience how easy it is to discharge a firearm accidentally.”

“Hi I'm an irresponsible asshole my gross negligence is proof that I should be allowed to carry a concealed gun at all times!, God bless America!”

Take a sip of NRA koolaid and relax.

(01-08-2014, 05:58 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps FU can confirm this but I read somewhere that you can get a hunting licence in Iowa if you are legally blind.

I think this law was brought in by deer and ducks.

“Can you see me?”, “nope”, “cool! here's a rifle shoot and hope you blind motherfucker!”

Yes you can get a hunting license if you are blind [you can also be a fellon and get a hunting license, but thats another story].
The way it goes is that the blind is hunting WITH a sighted person. The firearm is set up on a tripod and the blind person points the firearm, while the sighted person sights the firearm and corrects the point of aim. When all is right the blind person pulls the trigger.
I understand the no discrimination of the handicapped aspect of it. I also understand that a hunter that has lost his sight would still love to be in field. I just dont like the extra risks that are involved with putting a loaded firearm in the hands of the sightless.