You'll find tacky, upscale, budget, and everything in-between in Vegas.
Looks like he may have tried to get a room overlooking a different concert venue last week, but couldn't get a suitable room. So he switched his plan and targeted a venue where he could get a room.
"Last weekend, he tried to rent a room overlooking a music festival a few miles away from the scene of his carnage Sunday, a law-enforcement source told The Post.
But Paddock couldn’t get a room that looked out onto the Life is Beautiful Festival, headlined by Chance the Rapper and Lorde and held in Sin City Sept. 22-24, the source said."
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/vegas-shoot...-festival/
It's hard to see pictures and snippets of the victims' lives every time some piece of shit decides to shoot up a place, but it's good not to consider them just statistics and forget about them.
Here are some short bios and pics of victims thus far identified in the Las Vegas mass shooting. They were just hanging out listening to music with their friends and families when they were shot to death. RIP.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-s...te-latest/
The truth will come out but in today's psyche of instant gratification via internet, frustration and conjecture become the norm. I can only assume law enforcement is doing their job, and details will be piecemealed out as politicians and special groups try to give their own reasons why. I think he was a nutcase that used the opportunity to kill as many people as he could. I do believe that gun ownership needs more attention and I'm sure someone will come along and say "Just take the guns away" but in my mind I don't believe that's the answer completely.
Only in America can one of our own countrymen carry out a mission to cause such mass carnage of our own people! Something is outrageously wrong with that picture.
We don't need outside terrorists to cause fear and panic of murderous mayhem here!
Too many of our home grown nut cases are happy to oblige!
All the stories are sad, but one that particularly bothered me was the 25 year old guy who died. Some lady held his hand while he was dying and when his phone started ringing she answered it and it was his mother and girlfriend calling him.
(10-03-2017, 08:44 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ]All the stories are sad, but one that particularly bothered me was the 25 year old guy who died. Some lady held his hand while he was dying and when his phone started ringing she answered it and it was his mother and girlfriend calling him.
Very sad. The couple who got the call that their only child had been shot to death made me tear up. The boy who watched his dad get fatally gunned down while they were dancing together at the concert really got to me too.
It seems surreal, but it's those people's reality.
It's horrible, but 3,287 people are killed in car accidents everyday.
I hope President Trump makes a respectful statement when he visits Vegas tomorrow -- no boasting and asking victims for kudos for his support or anything like that. Watching and listening to him in Puerto Rico today was painful.
What I really hope Trump does though is buck the NRA stranglehold and go back to the position he held on gun policy before he ran for president. He does 180s sometimes, so it's possible (not that I'm betting on it).
It's highly doubtful the Vegas shooter would have been able to kill so many people without the bump stocks increasing the speed of firing on his semi-automatics. And, he probably could have killed more people if the sound of bullets spraying had been less detectable. So, to me, even if Trump did nothing but pressure Congress to take a legal stand against bump stocks and silencers, it would be a step in the right direction. I don't think civilians need those for any defense or non-criminal reasons and there's no Second Amendment protection attached to them.
No expectations that this terrible mass shooting will spur rational change, big or small.......I'm just wishing.
The only thing that slowed him down was stamina, bumpstocks actually could have saved lives in this scenario. Much less accurate fire, I think the reason this was so fatal is much of the people were standing on hardscape, at the elevation he was at when the bullets hit the ground they didn't stop they skipped at a low angle. Each bullet had multiple occasion to cause injury or death.
But yeah they should be outlawed.
I hope you don't accuse me of not listening to you just because I don't agree with you Biggie. I don't agree with you in cases like this because I DO listen to you.
It's ignorant to suggest that turning semi-automatics into near automatics -- thereby increasing the number of rounds that could be fired off before the shooter was stopped -- was a disadvantage to the shooter and probably saved lives.
He was shooting multiple weapons with high capacity mags at 20,000 people from two vantage points. If you listen to the audio, you can hear the constant shooting. There's nothing at this point to indicate Paddock was specifically targeting any of the hundreds of people he hit. He was shooting fish in a barrel. The increased number of bullets he was able to fire off with bump stocks was far more likely an advantage to him than a disadvantage.
The car accident scenario is also tired and irrelevant. I don't think many people have a problem with a relevant comparison. I suspect, for example, that most people can readily accept that big game hunters sometimes fatally shoot themselves or their big game hunting buddies accidentally. That's the risk they take. Their choice.
Car accidents are tragic, but they're way down with increased regulation and something I also suspect that most people accept as the risk of choosing to drive or ride in vehicles. Our choice.
What's not something we should just accept, in my opinion, is people being slaughtered in public spaces because some dipshit wants to shoot a bunch of bullets into people. That's not an accident. And, it's a choice that should be taken away from mass murderers whenever possible.
You're ignorant about firearms and you are wrong, I still love you though.
Little ole me is ignorant about many things and I'm no expert at firearms. But, I'm informed.
And, your contention that Paddock was at a disadvantage with bump stocks in this scenario is plain silly.
Maybe one of our gun enthusiasts will have some balls + common sense and set you straight, for accuracy's sake. There's a reason Paddock had the bump stocks. And, unfortunately, they served their purpose for him.
But, I love you too and I agree with you that they should be outlawed.
He didn't think it would take xx minutes to take him out, he planned ahead. Turns out he didn't need them.
You're a mind-reader for the dead now too Biggie?
Plus, you're contradicting your own argument. I agree with you that it's obvious Paddock planned ahead. However, in that planning, he must have determined that bump stocks would be an advantage to him, or else he wouldn't have used them, right?
Paddock reportedly had enough firearms and ammo to keep going long after he was stopped. How do you know he didn't believe he'd have much longer or maybe even get away (he was watching the entry point to his rooms from cameras hidden in room service carts)? What makes you confident in stating that 'he didn't need them' and could have hit so many innocent victims without the bump stocks? What you posted upthread about that doesn't hold up.
(10-03-2017, 03:43 PM)Carsman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017, 02:33 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
With my own ears I just heard Mitch McConnell say is was premature & inappropriate to be having a gun discussion now.
With my own ears I just heard the Donald say what happened in Vegas was a "miracle"!
(Then he clarified it by saying, it was a miracle that the Police got there so fast)
This guy was probably hired by trump. Or the republicans will say he was a democrat or a liberal trying to prove a point and get stricter gun laws by killing people.
I'm just posting crap, don't mind me. I think all of the victims faces and lives should be posted, and read aloud especially at places where conservative gun lovers go to church. They do go to church don't they? But then again-they will just turn their anger to the democrats somehow.
It is everybody else's fault, and somebody else's problem. And people must make statements absolving themselves of wrongdoing by association.
Oh, and Gun lovers will just claim we are trying to take away people's right to bear arms, and that one day the government is going to come knocking on our doors, taking away our rights and no one will have guns left and we will be defenseless.
I am not against these rights, but I am against, fuck someone is putting these things into people's hands and making it available-who the fuck is it? Where the fuck are these weapons and why do we have them?
(10-04-2017, 01:29 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]And, your contention that Paddock was at a disadvantage with bump stocks in this scenario is plain silly.
About Bump firing a firearm. It actually does make it less accurate.
These stocks came to be after people figured out that you could hook your thumb into the trigger guard, pin that thumb against your hip, apply a slight forward pressure with your forward hand and let the gun free float as it fired itself. The rearward recoil of the firing of the firearm resets the trigger and the forward pressure of the person moves the gun forward while the trigger is held stationary [I hope that came out right]. It increases the rate of fire to that of a fully automatic firearm. Problem is the gun is just floating there and you have no accuracy because of it. Even the Gov figured out that full auto was a waste of ammo and went to the 3 round burst. Full auto is nothing more than spray and pray.
That being said, Did these stocks help or hurt the shooter? While it did reduce his accuracy he had such a large target that accuracy was not important. He could let the gun do what it wanted and just keep lead flying. So in this case I DO think it was a advantage for him to use this setup.
Holy shit, did I just agree with HotD on a firearm topic ?
Yeah, it's just common knowledge and common sense that bump stocks are an advantage in firing off as many rounds as possible in the same amount of time. So, don't worry too much about agreeing with me, F.U. ")
Increased rapid fire is the purpose of bump stocks, they don't exist to increase precision in hitting a specific target.
And, it defies common sense to suggest that the bump stocks were life-savers in this scenario. But, Biggie made a couple of sensible points in his contradictory post upthread.
(10-04-2017, 12:42 AM)BigMark Wrote: [ -> ]Each bullet had multiple occasion to cause injury or death.
But yeah they should be outlawed.
If each bullet had multiple occasion to cause injury or death (regardless of hardscape, angle, elevation...), then it stands to reason that the more bullets fired, the more occasions to cause injury or death. The bump stocks enabled Paddock to fire more bullets in the same amount of time than he could have with non-modified semi-automatics which require full trigger pulls for each round.
Bump stocks aside.......58 people are dead, over 500 are injured, and likely thousands of family and friends of the direct victims are grappling with the sad reality. More victims have been publicly identified since yesterday:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...he-victims
Also, Paddock's girlfriend is back in the U.S. from the Philippines today. Hopefully, she'll have some information that's helpful to law enforcement's investigation. It won't bring anyone back to life or heal wounds, of course. But, maybe it could help in attempting to thwart or minimize copy-cats.
(10-04-2017, 10:11 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]So, don't worry too much about agreeing with me, F.U. ")
Oh thank heavens. I thought I was getting soft in my old age.
On a side note, I tried to buy some bump fire stocks this morning [ I thought I could make a killing on resale of them in the near future] but they are sold out everywhere. Damn it, I knew I should have bought a couple cases of them when the price dropped to 99 bucks. Once again I missed the boat. Just like with the street sweeper, hell fire triggers, $99 Ak's . . . etc etc etc.
What a bummer, F.U.
Clearly.............you're the REAL victim in not being able to capitalize financially on the death and devastation.
Always a day late and a dollar short.