Most "gun nuts" would agree to much of the legislation but without all the pork. Why is it that when a law is written it has a ton of other shit that has nothing to do with it in there? It happens all the time. That is why Kelly Ayott voted against it not because of the gun side of the law, so the liberals persecute her for it. Fucking idiots would not know which end of the gun has the "bang" going out of it. Or which side of a shovel goes into the ground.
(06-19-2013, 10:36 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ]16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Bullshit, its none of a Dr's business how many, what kind or even IF I have weapons in my house when I take the grandkids in for a shot. Dr's business is treating peoples afflictions and the prevention of disease, NOT Gun Control
It would be silly to shoot down a bill based on that alone since it wouldn't affect the average law abiding gun owner in anyway, your proctologist isn't going to give a shit if you have a gun or not. The question would apply more to mental health patients and pediactrics.
The pediatrician already has a standard list of safety questions they ask when you take your child for a check up anyway, like do you put your child in a car seat or seatbelt and do you have pets and if so do you leave your infant unattended around them. The gun question would go along the lines of do you own a gun and if so do you assure it is out of the reach of children, not what kind and how many guns you own. With an older child they also have a list of safety questions, the gun question would be along the lines of do you know to never pick up an unattended gun and to tell an adult immediately if you find one.
Yes of course gun nuts are all fucking geniuses and anti gun people are all stoopid.
Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size would say the opposite was the case.
(06-19-2013, 11:15 AM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 10:36 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ]16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Bullshit, its none of a Dr's business how many, what kind or even IF I have weapons in my house when I take the grandkids in for a shot. Dr's business is treating peoples afflictions and the prevention of disease, NOT Gun Control
It would be silly to shoot down a bill based on that alone since it wouldn't affect the average law abiding gun owner in anyway, your proctologist isn't going to give a shit if you have a gun or not. The question would apply more to mental health patients and pediactrics.
The pediatrician already has a standard list of safety questions they ask when you take your child for a check up anyway, like do you put your child in a car seat or seatbelt and do you have pets and if so do you leave your infant unattended around them. The gun question would go along the lines of do you own a gun and if so do you assure it is out of the reach of children, not what kind and how many guns you own. With an older child they also have a list of safety questions, the gun question would be along the lines of do you know to never pick up an unattended gun and to tell an adult immediately if you find one.
OK, Lets follow this through a little bit.
So, I take my grandkids in for a vaccination, Dr asks me if I have a gun in the house. Being me, I decide its none of his business. I tell him No, he writes it down. Now what? Where does this info go? Who gets it? How and by who is it followed up on? Did I break a law? What kind of law? What are the penalties?
What exactly is the Dr asking about guns supposed to accomplish? Does the fact that he is a Dr make him an expert on gun safety?
All this seems to go far afield from what a Dr gets paid to do doesn't it?
The man can ask whatever questions he wants, Doesn't mean I have to answer them.
(06-19-2013, 02:43 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 11:15 AM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 10:36 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: [ -> ]16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Bullshit, its none of a Dr's business how many, what kind or even IF I have weapons in my house when I take the grandkids in for a shot. Dr's business is treating peoples afflictions and the prevention of disease, NOT Gun Control
It would be silly to shoot down a bill based on that alone since it wouldn't affect the average law abiding gun owner in anyway, your proctologist isn't going to give a shit if you have a gun or not. The question would apply more to mental health patients and pediactrics.
The pediatrician already has a standard list of safety questions they ask when you take your child for a check up anyway, like do you put your child in a car seat or seatbelt and do you have pets and if so do you leave your infant unattended around them. The gun question would go along the lines of do you own a gun and if so do you assure it is out of the reach of children, not what kind and how many guns you own. With an older child they also have a list of safety questions, the gun question would be along the lines of do you know to never pick up an unattended gun and to tell an adult immediately if you find one.
OK, Lets follow this through a little bit.
So, I take my grandkids in for a vaccination, Dr asks me if I have a gun in the house. Being me, I decide its none of his business. I tell him No, he writes it down. Now what? Where does this info go? Who gets it? How and by who is it followed up on? Did I break a law? What kind of law? What are the penalties?
What exactly is the Dr asking about guns supposed to accomplish? Does the fact that he is a Dr make him an expert on gun safety?
All this seems to go far afield from what a Dr gets paid to do doesn't it?
The man can ask whatever questions he wants, Doesn't mean I have to answer them.
The info just goes into the kids chart, it's not like they're going to keep tabs on you and fine you or send you to jail for checking no on the questionnaire.
Like I said, when you take you're kid for a checkup and fill out the medical history they already have a section asking about safety precautions. Like does your kid always wear a helmet when they ride a bike and is your water heater turned down to assure the baby isn't scalded in the bathtub. I checked yes that my son always wears a helmet when he really doesn't, but I don't expect the cops to be banging on my door anytime.
The Dr. asking about safety precautions regarding children is mainly for idiots. Like after you have a newborn and they send you home with a pamphlet of moronic things you shouldn't do. I really don't see it as a big deal.
Holy shit. I read that kind of quickly so I must have missed something. You take your kid for a checkup and get asked if you have guns in the house? It's not the Dr.'s business, it's not anyone's business. Why would anyone even consider that to be their business? I better go back and read that again, surely I've misunderstood.
(06-19-2013, 03:29 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
Holy shit. I read that kind of quickly so I must have missed something. You take your kid for a checkup and get asked if you have guns in the house? It's not the Dr.'s business, it's not anyone's business. Why would anyone even consider that to be their business? I better go back and read that again, surely I've misunderstood.
Believe it or not, they also check your kids for bruises, cuts, etc., that could be consistent with abuse.
I can understand them being checked for bruises, the other shit ain't their biz though, nor yours or anyone else.
I'm never, ever going to go along with or support ANYTHING that makes my business your business, it's just not happening.
(06-19-2013, 03:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
I can understand them being checked for bruises, the other shit ain't their biz though, nor yours or anyone else.
Maybe if the 4 year old in St Paul had been taken to the doctor for his checkups and was asked about guns in his house, he may have told them, 'Yeah, Dad's got fucking guns laying all over the house. Under his pillow, in the laundry basket and in the silverware drawer.'
Then, maybe, just maybe, someone could've alerted child services before he ended up shooting his 2 year old brother.
I am loathe to shrug my shoulders in the face of a child's death but nonetheless...
It's none of your business. My stance on this will never change.
(06-19-2013, 03:49 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
I am loathe to shrug my shoulders in the face of a child's death but nonetheless...
It's none of your business. My stance on this will never change.
When does it becomes someone else's business?
Do we wait until the child shoots the mailman at the door?
Or any other visitor?
Just trying to understand your logic.
(06-19-2013, 03:51 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]When does it becomes someone else's business?
Do we wait until the child shoots the mailman at the door?
Or any other visitor?
Just trying to understand your logic.
Well if you're trying to understand mine I'll give you the courtesy of trying to understand yours. Can you explain to me why you think my private property is your business?
(06-19-2013, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 03:51 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]When does it becomes someone else's business?
Do we wait until the child shoots the mailman at the door?
Or any other visitor?
Just trying to understand your logic.
Well if you're trying to understand mine I'll give you the courtesy of trying to understand yours. Can you explain to me why you think my private property is your business?
Children are killed all the time from being left unattended with pets. Do you also think it's outrageous for the pediatrician to ask if you have pets in the house and if so do you leave your infant unattended around them? It's just a safety awareness thing and nothing more.
(06-19-2013, 03:58 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ]Children are killed all the time from being left unattended with pets. Do you also think it's outrageous for the pediatrician to ask if you have pets in the house and if so do you leave your infant unattended around them? It's just a safety awareness thing and nothing more.
Like with guns, this has to do with the people not the pet. That's my feeling.
(06-19-2013, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2013, 03:51 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]When does it becomes someone else's business?
Do we wait until the child shoots the mailman at the door?
Or any other visitor?
Just trying to understand your logic.
Well if you're trying to understand mine I'll give you the courtesy of trying to understand yours. Can you explain to me why you think my private property is your business?
My logic is based on a Doctor's desire to check on a child's welfare (like the physical abuse check).
Dr: Are guns in the house?
Parent: Yes, we have guns.
Dr: Are they locked up and out of the child's reach?
Parent: Yes.
Child (interjecting): Dad, your gun is under your pillow.
Dr: Can then determine what steps to take.
I know you'll shrug that off as no one's fucking business, but again, guns laying around can kill more than just family members living there.
So, is this just something else we just have to hope doesn't happen to us, all in the name of We Love Guns Here In The Good Ole U S of A?
It's about the crazies getting access to guns, it's not about the guns, do something about the crazy people.
(06-19-2013, 04:06 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
It's about the crazies getting access to guns, it's not about the guns, do something about the crazy people.
Not every one that leaves access to their guns around children are crazy, they're just neglectful and stupid. Same thing with people that leave their infant on the bed next to the pit bull.
BTW, the dad in St Paul who had 8 guns laying around when his 4 year old used one of them to shoot his younger brother, is going to prison.
Apparently, it's called child-endangerment or some shit like that.
And, the crazy fucker is St Paul who let his Pitbull kill his 7 year old a few years back, also went to prison.
Now, some would like to think of this simply as natural selection.
Maybe, but the day will come when a kid will pick up a gun and shoot someone other than someone who lives there, and it'll be a problem.
I don't know what the answer is but I do know that anything I have or anything I do is no one's business as long as I lead my life within the law.