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Based on the news reports I've seen, I think a more fair characterization would be "accidental discharge".

But yes there were injuries. Three incidents and 5 wounded.

The media and those with an anti-gun agenda will report on anything that furthers their narrative. Including reporting on accidents that would not have been reported on a month ago.

(01-20-2013, 12:19 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]

So this is interesting in the sense that it again shows that the AR-15 - or any assault rifle for that matter - aren't widely used for killing. They never have been.

HotD, this is why I get heated about this subject... it's all about intellectual dishonesty. Now to be fair, this info-graphic could be construed to be intellectually dishonest as well, because it is clearly excluding handguns. But the recent gun control push has been focused squarely on assault rifles, so I guess they are trying to stay on point.

At any rate, this isn't about assault rifles, because statistically they aren't the problem. Handguns are a much bigger problem, but the politicians know they can't win on that argument because most people don't perceive them such.

But hold up an AR-15, and the politicians know they can gin up the base and scare the bejeebus out of people. They move to ban, and include other provisions that affects all guns. It's a version of the old Potomac Two-step.

It's political opportunism. It's not letting a crisis go to waste. And it's shameful... if Obama and the Democrats really cared, why didn't they just push gun bans at any time between 2008 and 2010 when they controlled the entirety of the Legislative and Executive branch? You already know the answer to that question I'll bet.

That's why I get heated.

I'll be waiting for the legislation to ban hands and feet, since I am twice as likely to be killed by them than with an assault rifle. Also, cutting vegetables will be much tougher when they ban those pesky knives too.

ETA: In their rush to ban guns in NY, law enforcement officers were not excluded, so they are all currently breaking the law until a fix is passed. But yes, let's trust legislators because they know what is good for the people. Dopes.

Excellent!

Here is a good read/slideshow . Use your right arrow to advance pics.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

(01-21-2013, 10:14 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a good read/slideshow . Use your right arrow to advance pics.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

That is an excellent and succinct display of information. Well done by whomever took the time to do it.

They probably should have omitted the opinion part about the AR-15 being equivalent to a musket, however.

There is a growing number of people in the United States that were never brought up with any guns or knowlege of guns, they are gun shy and will follow anything the media tells them into quiksand.

(01-21-2013, 01:25 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]There is a growing number of people in the United States that were never brought up with any guns or knowlege of guns...

You mean the knowledge that guns don't kill people... people kill people?

(01-21-2013, 01:35 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2013, 01:25 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]There is a growing number of people in the United States that were never brought up with any guns or knowlege of guns...

You mean the knowledge that guns don't kill people... people kill people?

Everyone knows that guns whisper to their owners through the gun safe at night to go out and shoot people. Like the Shining.

I'm not ready to give an opinion but of course, today's story has gun control advocates basically saying that the whole idea of arming schools or letting students carry guns to school who have concealed carry permits is dumb.

I am interested in exactly what happened. They said one guy said "hey, I don't want to fight" but they're reporting that they think 2 people were firing at each other. Was one doing it just in self defense? Last I heard, the 2^nd "person of interest" was still missing but perhaps that's not true any more. Don't know.


HOUSTON (Reuters) - One person was in critical condition and two others were taken to hospital with injuries after a shooting broke out between two people on the campus of Lone Star College near Houston on Tuesday, an official with an ambulance dispatch company said.

"We did transport three patients from the scene," said Mark Smith, an official with Harris county Emergency Corps which dispatches ambulances in that area.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-r...9868.story

They will say that it is stupid to arm and I say the concept worked. Only a handfull were injured. In my book thats a much better outcome than 26 dead.

(01-22-2013, 08:41 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]They will say that it is stupid to arm and I say the concept worked. Only a handfull were injured. In my book thats a much better outcome than 26 dead.

I really don't care what you guys do in your own backyard, but isn't that drawing a bit of a long bow?

You're comparing a lunatic who was on a mission to kill as many people as he could with a couple of guys who had a disagreement. I don't think there was ever any fear of the latter (intently) killing more than themselves.

There is nothing in the article that explains the altercation. Only that a gun was used. It could have been anything from a drug thing going bad to the theft of a pair of favorite sneakers. No knee jerking there.

I think I just heard on CNN that only one man was armed?

(01-22-2013, 08:48 PM)crash Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-22-2013, 08:41 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]They will say that it is stupid to arm and I say the concept worked. Only a handfull were injured. In my book thats a much better outcome than 26 dead.

I really don't care what you guys do in your own backyard, but isn't that drawing a bit of a long bow?

You're comparing a lunatic who was on a mission to kill as many people as he could with a couple of guys who had a disagreement. I don't think there was ever any fear of the latter (intently) killing more than themselves.

No, no low blow at all.This could have just as easily turned real ugly. Once a person realizes he fucked up what do they have to lose. Remember when we were kids and stayed out to late. We realized our asses were grass and said fuck it I am already screwed so I may as well do it up right. Same concept in my opinion.

I see your point. I must admit I skipped through the article without reading it properly. From some tv news coverage I had it in my head it was the result of an argument between two guys.

(01-22-2013, 09:46 PM)crash Wrote: [ -> ]From some tv news coverage I had it in my head it was the result of an argument between two guys.

From what I'm seeing, that is all that been reported so far. It's not clear yet who was the instigator, if there was one more than one gun involved, if the shooter stopped voluntarily or was thwarted by someone else...

Not enough info yet to know if this was a potential mass shooter or just a volatile jackass (or maybe two) who's clearly not responsible enough to have a gun. No word whether the shooter had a permit to carry or was carrying illegally and no charges yet.

I must say that I may have jumped the gun [no pun intended] on this. I did assume that there were two shooters. This may not be the case, I do not know for sure yet.

(01-22-2013, 10:08 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]I must say that I may have jumped the gun [no pun intended] on this. I did assume that there were two shooters. This may not be the case, I do not know for sure yet.

It's still a murky story with authorities being unusually tight-lipped about the details. They have confirmed the name of the 22 year old shooter and charged him with aggravated assault. It's also been confirmed that it was a private altercation (well, in a public place) and that there was only one gun involved. There's not yet any word as to whether the shooter had a permit to carry, not that it matters much here in terms of charges considering Lone Star College is a gun-free zone.

You were right in your prediction that some media would jump on the incident to support the idea that allowing college students to conceal carry on campus is a bad and dangerous one, though it's not even confirmed yet whether either the shooter or the person assaulted were students.

Media/Control Advocate jump on story:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...-idea.html

Shooter ID/Update:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...d-assault/

Regardless as to whether this story ends up to be relevant to the issue, I support certified teachers having the choice to conceal carry on campus (any campus) but am leary about extending that choice to college students because of the drama, lapses of judgment and partying that occurs naturally for many as part of the college experience.

(01-23-2013, 12:02 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-22-2013, 10:08 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: [ -> ]I must say that I may have jumped the gun [no pun intended] on this. I did assume that there were two shooters. This may not be the case, I do not know for sure yet.

It's still a murky story with authorities being unusually tight-lipped about the details. They have confirmed the name of the 22 year old shooter and charged him with aggravated assault. It's also been confirmed that it was a private altercation (well, in a public place) and that there was only one gun involved. There's not yet any word as to whether the shooter had a permit to carry, not that it matters much here in terms of charges considering Lone Star College is a gun-free zone.

You were right in your prediction that some media would jump on the incident to support the idea that allowing college students to conceal carry on campus is a bad and dangerous idea, though it's not even confirmed yet whether either the shooter or the person assaulted were students.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...-idea.html

I support certified teachers having the choice to conceal carry on campus; any campus. I am however leary about extending that choice to college students because of the drama, lapses of judgment and partying that occurs naturally for many as part of the college experience.

Arrest update:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...d-assault/

When it comes to the fear that a college aged student may be armed, start drinking and do evil. I guess that is a very real possibility. However, That is also a possibility here in Iowa with middle/any age permit holders. In Iowa you can sit at a bar with your firearm on you and drink. Now that being said, you cannot be drunk and carry. The line in the sand is the same as the line in the sand when it comes to drunk driving. The point where a driver can be cited for drunk driving in Iowa is .08 . So at that point [.08], by Iowa law, you are required to hand over your keys and firearm. Do people abuse the .08 rule? Well yes, in fact I will admit that I have done so, just like they/I have abused the .08 rule when driving. However in the two years that we have ben a shall issue state there has not ben 1 instance where a permit holder has ben in a bar and caused a issue. It all boils down to personal responsibility in my book.

I’m just not sure whether it would make college campuses more safe or less safe, F.U.

Keeping campuses as gun free zones sure isn’t gonna stop a crazy with a mission from bringing guns in and shooting away at a bunch of unarmed sitting ducks. I get that and it's troubling. On the other hand, I’ve attended college and taught at a college; seen a lot of over-emotional hot-headedness going on in campus social circles, many times mixed with (or resulting from) immaturity, drugs and alcohol. I’m on the fence in terms of whether the pros outweigh the cons for students, but firmly in favor of teachers’ rights to conceal carry.

This was new info to me:
Concealed weapons on college campuses are banned outright in 21 states, and 23 states allow individual universities to decide whether to allow them, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Only five states have provisions allowing concealed handguns on campuses: Colorado, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin. Students for Concealed Carry is currently supporting newly introduced legislation to promote its obectives in six states right now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22...ref=topbar

Regarding the Lone Star College shooting specifically, it’s weird the way the story is unfolding (or not unfolding, really). There was supposed to be a press conference a couple of hours ago but nothing yet.

From the latest news reports published:
The second person in the altercation has been identified and is 25 years old – he will not be charged. One gun and one shooter was involved, but both men were shot (along with the incidental shooting of the custodian). I don't know whether the shooter intentionally or accidently shot himself, it hasn't been addressed at all from what I've read. Authorities are trying to figure out if these two men had an ongoing conflict and whether either was a student. I don’t know why it would take so long to confirm enrollment records and get statements (unless they are both in serious condition, but nothing I’ve seen mentions the severity of their wounds). I can't tell if info is intentionally being withheld or if these major details are still truly unconfirmed by LE as of yet.

One thing's for sure, both sides of the campus concealed carry debate are waiting for more details and hoping they can be used to support their opposing positions.