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Out here they just run right out in the middle of the street, I suspect it does improve future dna.
I'll worry much more about the kids that die from a gun every year when we do something about all those aborted kids. Here we are 7am and already over 850 have ben killed today . Almost 79,000 have ben killed this year as of this point.

For against this subject this dead baby counter in this link is worth looking at. http://www.numberofabortions.com/
(01-27-2016, 08:53 AM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]I'll worry much more about the kids that die from a gun every year when we do something about all those aborted kids. Here we are 7am and already over 850 have ben killed today . Almost 79,000 have ben killed this year as of this point.

For against this subject this dead baby counter in this link is worth looking at. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

So once abortion is made illegal you will care about all the kids that die every year from guns, but until then fuck them?

Yeah that makes sense.
(01-27-2016, 08:53 AM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]I'll worry much more about the kids that die from a gun every year when we do something about all those aborted kids.


What would you like done? Tell me your solution.
(01-27-2016, 12:46 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-27-2016, 08:53 AM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]I'll worry much more about the kids that die from a gun every year when we do something about all those aborted kids. Here we are 7am and already over 850 have ben killed today . Almost 79,000 have ben killed this year as of this point.

For against this subject this dead baby counter in this link is worth looking at. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

So once abortion is made illegal you will care about all the kids that die every year from guns, but until then fuck them?

Yeah that makes sense.

Everyone is worried about the few, when the many get slaughtered every day. It reminds me of the old saying. Don't pinch your pennies and let the dollars disappear.
(01-27-2016, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-27-2016, 08:53 AM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]I'll worry much more about the kids that die from a gun every year when we do something about all those aborted kids.


What would you like done? Tell me your solution.

Don't have one. Never claimed to.
(01-27-2016, 01:44 PM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]Don't have one. Never claimed to.


Well I had to ask given your response was that you would worry about kids being killed by guns when "we" do something about aborted pregnancies.
Pandering to the Gun Crowd

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US Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz has been pulled up by the Washington Post for telling some "whopper" tales about Australia, gun control and crime.

Cruz reckons that since Australia's 1996 gun buyback program, "the rate of sexual assaults, the rate of rapes, went up significantly, because women were unable to defend themselves."

Analysis by the Washington Post shows while the rate of sexual assaults in Australia increased slightly between 1996 and 2014, "there was no significant spike or drop after the 1996 legislative changes or buyback program".

"The increase likely is affected by the increase in reporting, and there wasn’t prevalent use of handguns for self-defense before 1996, as Cruz suggests," they wrote.

The WaPo also points out, correctly, there was no blanket exemption allowing people to use handguns for self-defence before the Howard Government introduced gun control legislation.

There also hasn't been a mass shooting in Australia since the gun buy back. The newspaper, which once brought down a president, graded the presidential hopeful with four Pinocchios -- a whopper. The Washington Post does not have a fifth Pinocchio.

"[W]e wavered between Three and Four Pinocchios. Despite the litany of caveats, there was a gradual increase in sexual assault rates over a decade after the 1996 changes -- which places his claim in the range of Three Pinocchios," the WaPo wrote.

"But the rates didn’t go up 'significantly' after the buyback, and there’s no evidence that changes to gun laws in Australia affected sexual assault rates or jeopardized (sic) the ability of women to protect themselves.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01...83292.html


I love it when these people are proven wrong...except for when they mess with Bill. Don't mess with Bill. I'm blinded by love.
(01-27-2016, 03:18 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]

I love it when these people are proven wrong...except for when they mess with Bill. Don't mess with Bill. I'm blinded by love.

And who might These People be?


Politicians.
Crime in Australia is so high already though, because they're all criminals.
Not sure where a good place to share this is , so I will put it here. For anyone that is thinking about buying a gun privately here is a spot to check and see if it is hot .The FREE Stolen Gun Database http://www.hotgunz.com/
I think this bill makes sense.

Mandatory stiff sentences for drugs rubbed me way wrong, I'm glad that's changing. Stiffer mandatory sentences for using/stealing guns and other weapons in the commission of crimes suits me fine though.

New Hampshire Bill
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.

The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.

It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.

The bill will be heard today by the House Criminal Justice Committee at 10:30 a.m. in the Legislative Office Building.


http://www.eagletribune.com/news/new_ham...5307a.html
(02-03-2016, 09:23 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]I think this bill makes sense.

Mandatory stiff sentences for drugs rubbed me way wrong, I'm glad that's changing. Stiffer mandatory sentences for using/stealing guns and other weapons in the commission of crimes suits me fine.

New Hampshire Bill
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.

The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.

It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.

The bill will be heard today by the House Criminal Justice Committee at 10:30 a.m. in the Legislative Office Building.


http://www.eagletribune.com/news/new_ham...5307a.html

I like the concept of stronger penalties for theft of a firearm. However a criminal don't worry about the punishment because they never think they will get caught. So I don't think it will effect the thief much.
It might make a person buying a hot gun think twice knowing that if they get caught with it they will get extra time.
It will for sure make the average Joe just buying a gun off the street think twice before he buys one without checking to see if its hot.
I understand what you're saying, F.U.

But, it's not only about making a criminal think twice and refrain, due to fear of harsher punishment if caught. I think it's as much or more about minimizing that criminal's future opportunities to commit more crimes and/or more serious crimes if caught.

Burt the New Hampshire burglar has been ripping off houses for years; jewelry, cash, electronics, guns... Next month, after the bill is passed into law, he hits a house and finds a couple of pistols in the sock drawer; Burt steals them. That house happens to have surveillance and Burt finally gets ID'd; police find the stolen goods from his last couple of burglaries when they execute a search warrant. Because he stole guns, instead of getting a couple of years behind bars and probation, Burt's looking at 20 years because of the guns he stole. I don't have a problem with that.
I don't have a problem with that either. I just don't see it having much of a effect on people actually steeling them. I know people that are felons that are crooks. They still steal firearms knowing that is a federal offense. The threat of a harsher penalty [because its federal because they would be a felon in position] doesn't effect them at all. A criminal never thinks they will get caught.
It might effect the burglar that is just starting down the path, and will effect the honest guy just buying a gun under the table.
I hope it works out the way they intend it to work, I just don't see it.
I don't think a thief would even think twice about any new law. When they are committing a crime the law is the last thing on their mind. Its not until they get caught do they ever even consider it and that's only because a lawyer tells them about it, or the cop that busts them. its like a killer, when they do one the rest are just extra.
You lost me, F.U. and Maggot. We already agreed that the law probably wouldn't deter many thieves from stealing guns.

But, for those thieves who get caught stealing guns, they face much harsher penalties if the bill is passed into law - thereby making it so that they don't have an opportunity to burgle or commit other crimes for potentially a much longer period of time (regardless as to whether they're novice or experienced thieves).