A piece of information that O'Mara was trying to extract today from the detectives that interviewed Z was, Z told them that T was also trying to smother him as well as punch him.
I could understand the panicky feeling of not being able to breathe. O'Mara made sure to bring that up over and over.
If that's part of the 'feared for his life' testimony, it'll be very hard to disprove he felt that way.
Well, Zimmerman told Hannity that there's nothing that he would do differently and he doesn't regret following Trayvon that night.
"It was all God's plan", he said.
If I were him, I'd regret not telling Trayvon that I was Neighborhood Watch (which George has said was a conscious choice) or that I'd called police. That could have diffused the situation. George didn't want Trayvon to get away and was committed to detaining him without Trayvon knowing anything about Zimmerman. Nothing illegal in George's account of the encounter, but certainly some regrettable decisions on his part. IMO.
From a legal standpoint, I don't know if it would have been wise for him to admit regrets publicly, if he had any. Course, I wouldn't be doing national interviews either.
The evidence seems to suggest there wasn't as much physical contact between Z and T as previously thought or claimed. There is evidence they struggled and there is evidence that T did in fact assault Z. What I think might have happened is during the struggle T sucker punched Z and Z thought to himself “you little bastard!” Grabbed T pulled his pistol and fired on the spur of the moment.
I'll bet he wishes he had just punched T back now.
(07-02-2013, 02:10 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't trying to shit stir between HOTD and JB either people I was in fact having a bit of a laugh which I think may have backfired a bit.
Sorry.
No worries, I didn't think that you were and wouldn't have minded anyway.
I'm cool with Jim.
So glad the forensics portion of the prosecution's case is starting.
Prosecutor Guy is interviewing the Medical Examiner. I like Guy's style and think he's more effective than de la Rionda overall.
(07-02-2013, 02:16 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]A piece of information that O'Mara was trying to extract today from the detectives that interviewed Z was, Z told them that T was also trying to smother him as well as punch him.
I could understand the panicky feeling of not being able to breathe. O'Mara made sure to bring that up over and over.
If that's part of the 'feared for his life' testimony, it'll be very hard to disprove he felt that way.
Smothering Z with what? His hand? While violently struggling and and punching him with his other hand to a life threatening degree?
Did they claim T tried to smother Z with his hand after Z's nose injury was caused? Because if that was the case T's smothering hand would have been covered with blood and the only blood on Ts hand was a small smudge.
(07-02-2013, 02:26 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]Did they claim T tried to smother Z with his hand after Z's nose injury was caused? Because if that was the case T's smothering hand would have been covered with blood and the only blood on Ts hand was a small smudge.
Good catch! That's exactly what they're saying; that Z was using both hands and covering T's nose and mouth.
(07-02-2013, 02:11 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:04 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]Z's actual physical injuries recorded on the night of the incident have NEVER been consistent with his claims the beating was so severe he considered it life threatening in nature.
The ME just testified that his injuries were insignificant. 
She (Rao) also said that George's head injuries were not consistent with being slammed against the concrete repeatedly, and his facial injuries were not consistent with being punched dozens of times.
"His injuries were not life-threatening in nature".
Her testimony refutes Zimmerman's version of events.
(07-02-2013, 02:28 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:26 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ]Did they claim T tried to smother Z with his hand after Z's nose injury was caused? Because if that was the case T's smothering hand would have been covered with blood and the only blood on Ts hand was a small smudge.
Good catch! That's exactly what they're saying; that Z was using both hands and covering T's nose and mouth.
O'Mara said if Z was lying on his back, the blood from his nose actually wouldn't come out but would flow back down his throat.
Therefore he very nicely discredited the fact that T didn't have any blood on his hands.
(07-02-2013, 02:17 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Course, I wouldn't be doing national interviews either.
Nobody in their fucking right mind would to be honest.
I'm disappointed that Z said he had no regrets, an unarmed teenager shot dead lying face down in the grass should always be considered regretable regardless of the circumstances.
What did that little neo-con glove puppet Hannity have to say during the interview?
(07-02-2013, 02:33 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]O'Mara said if Z was lying on his back, the blood from his nose actually wouldn't come out but would flow back down his throat.
Therefore he very nicely discredited the fact that T didn't have any blood on his hands.
Z had two lacerations on his face as well (one on the bridge of his nose). You'd think some of that blood would have ended up on T's hands.
(07-02-2013, 02:35 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:17 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Course, I wouldn't be doing national interviews either.
Nobody in their fucking right mind would to be honest.
I'm disappointed that Z said he had no regrets, an unarmed teenager shot dead lying face down in the grass should always be considered regretable regardless of the circumstances.
What did that little neo-con glove puppet Hannity have to say during the interview?
Hannity conducted a decent interview, imo. I'm gonna find the video and will post it in the Zimmerman Trial reference thread at the top of LC's Cell Block.
(07-02-2013, 02:28 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Good catch! That's exactly what they're saying; that Z was using both hands and covering T's nose and mouth.
So . . . what hand (or did he use both) pulled the weapon and fired . . . if both of Z's hands were covering T's nose and mouth?
(07-02-2013, 02:36 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:33 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]O'Mara said if Z was lying on his back, the blood from his nose actually wouldn't come out but would flow back down his throat.
Therefore he very nicely discredited the fact that T didn't have any blood on his hands.
Z had two lacerations on his face as well (one on the bridge of his nose). You'd think some of that blood would have ended up on T's hands.
I think the point O'Mara was trying to make was, no blood on T suggests/proves that Z was on his back, fighting off T who had to have been on top. In any other position (both standing, for instance, or Z on top), blood would've flowed freely (gravity) and ended up on T.
I tend to believe Z's statement that said T was attempting to smother him.
O'Mara said the screams on tape were Z and that they were muffled and intermittent because of something over his face (hands, forearms, etc.).
If I were on the jury, I'd certainly have a hard time NOT believing Z's story at this point.
(07-02-2013, 02:33 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]O'Mara said if Z was lying on his back, the blood from his nose actually wouldn't come out but would flow back down his throat.
Therefore he very nicely discredited the fact that T didn't have any blood on his hands.
There are photos of Zimmerman taken shortly after the incident that show him with blood around his nostrils, his upper lip and across his lips and chin.
Also the swelling on the right of zimmermans nose bleed EXTERNALLY as well as internally meaning Zimmerman did have a decent amount of blood on his face.
Yet T is found with one small smudge of blood on one hand and no swelling or bruising to his knuckles even after punching someone a dozen times in the face?
(07-02-2013, 02:45 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]I tend to believe Z's statement that said T was attempting to smother him.
Hey, User!
See where I was going with your "Good Catch" drivel?
Stop with the initials . . . use epithets.
You suck with initials.
(07-02-2013, 02:49 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:45 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]I tend to believe Z's statement that said T was attempting to smother him.
Hey, User!
See where I was going with your "Good Catch" drivel?
Stop with the initials . . . use epithets.
You suck with initials.
User was a little caught up in the moment thinking she had a 'gotcha' moment.
Try and cut her some slack.
Or not.
(07-02-2013, 02:41 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:28 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Good catch! That's exactly what they're saying; that Z was using both hands and covering T's nose and mouth.
So . . . what hand (or did he use both) pulled the weapon and fired . . . if both of Z's hands were covering T's nose and mouth?
No, supposedly T was covering Z's nose and mouth at some point.
(07-02-2013, 02:45 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]I think the point O'Mara was trying to make was, no blood on T suggests/proves that Z was on his back, fighting off T who had to have been on top. In any other position (both standing, for instance, or Z on top), blood would've flowed freely (gravity) and ended up on T.
I tend to believe Z's statement that said T was attempting to smother him.
O'Mara said the screams on tape were Z and that they were muffled and intermittent because of something over his face (hands, forearms, etc.).
If I were on the jury, I'd certainly have a hard time NOT believing Z's story at this point.
You're not listening.
Blood DID flow freely Z had blood on his nose, lips and chin. As User quite rightly says he had two external lacerations on his face which would bleed if he was on his back, hung upside down or standing on the surface of the moon.
Gravity schmavity Z is just like everybody else if he's cut he bleeds.
(07-02-2013, 02:55 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2013, 02:45 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]I think the point O'Mara was trying to make was, no blood on T suggests/proves that Z was on his back, fighting off T who had to have been on top. In any other position (both standing, for instance, or Z on top), blood would've flowed freely (gravity) and ended up on T.
I tend to believe Z's statement that said T was attempting to smother him.
O'Mara said the screams on tape were Z and that they were muffled and intermittent because of something over his face (hands, forearms, etc.).
If I were on the jury, I'd certainly have a hard time NOT believing Z's story at this point.
You're not listening.
Blood DID flow freely Z had blood on his nose, lips and chin. As User quite rightly says he had two external lacerations on his face which would bleed if he was on his back, hung upside down or standing on the surface of the moon.
Gravity schmavity Z is just like everybody else if he's cut he bleeds.
Maybe I'm not listening, but you're not understanding.