(07-13-2013, 08:21 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 07:08 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]The jury is asking question about the charge of manslaughter.
I'm taking that to mean they want to hold George accountable in some fashion if they can.
The tea leaves tell me they didn't buy self-defense.
If the shooting was "self-defense" for 2
nd degree Murder . . . it must, too, be "self-defense" for Manslaughter.
CNN is reporting that Judge Nelson invited the attorneys and jurors to dinner but the jurors declined, they wanted to work through dinner. They've now been deliberating for 15 hours and the judge is allowing them to go until 3:00 AM.
(07-13-2013, 08:57 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 08:21 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 07:08 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]The jury is asking question about the charge of manslaughter.
I'm taking that to mean they want to hold George accountable in some fashion if they can.
The tea leaves tell me they didn't buy self-defense.
..."without any conscious intention".
I'm hung up on that. Maybe they're struggling between negligence or not. If they find he was negligent, they can't convict him of manslaughter (if I'm reading that correctly).
(07-13-2013, 09:17 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 08:57 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 08:21 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 07:08 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]The jury is asking question about the charge of manslaughter.
I'm taking that to mean they want to hold George accountable in some fashion if they can.
The tea leaves tell me they didn't buy self-defense.
..."without any conscious intention".
I'm hung up on that. Maybe they're struggling between negligence or not. If they find he was negligent, they can't convict him of manslaughter (if I'm reading that correctly).
I just read the jury instructions. In a round about way, manslaughter just leaves out the hate, ill will and spite.
There's a verdict; to be read by the court shortly.
Unanimous jury decision = Not Guilty
I don't think the prosecution was ever able to prove that GZ initiated the confrontation.
All they had was George's story.
(07-13-2013, 10:07 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 10:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Unanimous jury decision = Not Guilty
La Bella Vita
*snicker* Not so much for Skittles. Score 1 for license to kill. Ohhh, you skeered me! Bang! You're dead.
Pussys.
Now we get to see if violence erupts.
(07-13-2013, 10:07 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2013, 10:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Unanimous jury decision = Not Guilty
(La) Bella Vita
This time, I'm not surprised.
I think the jury objectively weighed the evidence and the law, and delivered a verdict without consideration of the crowds outside.
Now, I'm hoping that the growing crowds don't surprise me.
My heart is heavy for the family of Trayvon Martin; hoping that the public respects the requests of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin by expressing their disappointment with peaceful protests, no riots.
(03-19-2012, 12:23 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2012, 11:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2012, 11:27 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: [ -> ]I heard on the news there wasn't enough evidence to arrest him. I don't quite understand that, really ...
because he is claiming self-defense, and it's hard to prove otherwise.
what might hang him is that he was carrying and was not supposed to be in that neighborhood watch capacity. HE HAD NO POLICE POWERS.
But, if he eludes arrest, this tells me that:
You can shoot/kill an unarmed person and simply claim self-defense.
Oh, and make sure there aren't any witnesses.
Just your word versus the dead guys word.
Here ya go Tiki ^^
Quoting my post before Zim had been arrested:
I feel like we're living the ending of Jagged Edge, when Glenn Close gets Jeff Bridges acquitted and then of course realizes he really was guilty.
I'm not surprised. At least GZ is now in debt up to his ass with legal fees and has no chance at a normal life ever. It's small compensation though.
(07-13-2013, 10:26 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: [ -> ]Here ya go Tiki ^^
Why me and why in this thread?
Now go back and find where I stated he would be convicted.
Hope you made book on this verdict and it's increased your wealth tenfold.
Six women and all . . .
Edited: Jagged Edge ended with the attorney killing the client. Another one of your predictions?
And he didn't "allude" arrest.
Or elude . . . for that matter.
(07-13-2013, 10:28 PM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not surprised. At least GZ is now in debt up to his ass with legal fees and has no chance at a normal life ever. It's small compensation though.
I don't know, rams. He's had financial issues before - at least sometime in the past. Bad credit kept him from being considered for the police academy.
Zimmerman's defense fund continues to rake in money. I hope it's monitored and audited closely.
Shelly Zimmerman's perjury trial for lying to the court regarding donation funds and the couple's finances (at his first bond hearing) should be scheduled soon. The judge ruled that her trial would be set after George's trial ended.
I wonder if they will even go through with the wife's trial now. It would be crazy if she got convicted and sent to prison while G is free.
(07-13-2013, 11:05 PM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they will even go through with the wife's trial now. It would be crazy if she got convicted and sent to prison while G is free.
Think OJ.
It pisses me off when commentators (Lester Holt) say,
as fact:
"The six woman jury believed Zimmerman's claim of self-defense."
User . . . knows why.
(And I agree.)
(07-13-2013, 11:05 PM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they will even go through with the wife's trial now. It would be crazy if she got convicted and sent to prison while G is free.
They should, IMO. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Prosecutors reportedly have her and George planning the deception (in easily decipherable code) and all the bank transactions to prove the follow-through after that conversation.
Shellie (misspelled it earlier) lied under oath to the court, according to prosecutors.
Typically perjury is hard to prove, but there typically aren't taped conversations and records of proof either.
I agree with you that it would be ironic if she ends up serving time for lying to free George while he awaited trial and in light of his acquittal.
(07-13-2013, 11:10 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ]User . . . knows why.
(And I agree.)
Yeah, I think the jury concluded that George was a negligent idiot without conscious intention which precluded convicting him of either murder 2 or manslaughter.
Who says it doesn't pay to be stupid??
. The jury did their job based on the charges offered to them. A review of the self defense/SYG laws are in order though.