(05-18-2012, 03:25 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 03:16 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 03:06 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Well that's a nice big leap and the inference there is that Trayvon "went after" Zimmerman. I disagree from what I know so far.
Really? It seems completely plausible that Trayvon could have confronted someone following him... it's just as likely a scenario as Zimmerman confronting him.
There's a difference (to me) between going after someone and confronting someone. The former implies a chase type scenario, the latter is, well, the confrontation. Trayvon may well have gotten tired of being followed and turned around and "confronted" Z. Or Z might have confronted Trayvon.
Being "TIRED" of being followed would imply that he was being followed for a significant amount of time. The facts are the call/fight/shooting all happened within 15 mins. To me that is NOT a significant amount of time.
(05-18-2012, 03:32 PM)LytoMe Wrote: [ -> ]Being "TIRED" of being followed would imply that he was being followed for a significant amount of time. The facts are the call/fight/shooting all happened within 15 mins. To me that is NOT a significant amount of time.
If someone was following me I would be inclined to turn around and ask why the fuck they were following me after about 30 seconds.
(05-18-2012, 03:25 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]There's a difference (to me) between going after someone and confronting someone. The former implies a chase type scenario, the latter is, well, the confrontation. Trayvon may well have gotten tired of being followed and turned around and "confronted" Z. Or Z might have confronted Trayvon.
I think we're on the same page with the confrontation part... and I see your point about Zimmerman staying in the car.
I still get hung up on the point that regardless of confrontation, Zimmerman ended up in a position where he had to defend himself. That's where it is going to get real sticky... because regardless of Zimmerman's actions up to that point, did he end up in a fight for his life?
That jury is fucked trying to sort it out.
(05-18-2012, 03:47 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]... because regardless of Zimmerman's actions up to that point, did he end up in a fight for his life?
That jury is fucked trying to sort it out.
That
is the kicker. Whatever happened to a good old fist fight, though? Was deadly force really necessary? I'm not talking about the legalities; just babbling.
(05-18-2012, 03:55 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Was deadly force really necessary?
From what I've read so far?, no.
I personally want to hear from this "bus" driver that was attacked by Martin.
(05-18-2012, 03:49 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]His own actions put him in that position, he wasn't forced into it.[/i][/size]
Even if he voluntarily put himself in that position, he still ended up having to defend himself.
A jury will have to decide if the force he used to defend himself was appropriate. I think they have a tougher job of that because of the 2
nd degree charge.
(05-18-2012, 03:43 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 03:32 PM)LytoMe Wrote: [ -> ]Being "TIRED" of being followed would imply that he was being followed for a significant amount of time. The facts are the call/fight/shooting all happened within 15 mins. To me that is NOT a significant amount of time.
If someone was following me I would be inclined to turn around and ask why the fuck they were following me after about 30 seconds.
Me too.
A friend of mine was recently chased by a stranger. I guess she should have stopped running and calmly asked him if there was some sort of problem.
T ran. We know that much. If he finally confronted Z, I don't blame him (unless z was saying "hey, hi! I'm your friendly neighborhood watch guy...just wondering what you're doing". The way he sounded on the cellphone call doesn't support that though.
(05-18-2012, 03:55 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]That is the kicker. Whatever happened to a good old fist fight, though? Was deadly force really necessary? I'm not talking about the legalities; just babbling.
I'd say probably not... but who knows? I'm sure the defense will argue that because of the head bashing he believed Trayvon was going to kill him.
Fist fights are so '70's!
(05-16-2012, 09:09 AM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2012, 08:26 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]LC, how much credence do you give that report?
I was in an accident once and other people in the car had a harebrained idea to sue. I briefly met with a doctor who was willing to state how horrible my injuries were (spinal etc.). I didn't go through with it but it showed me how corrupt and dishonest doctors can be in that regard.
This happens all the time. And THAT is why insurance is expensive. Because people commit fraud. Not because we are making boat loads of money.
We? Do you own the insurance company or do you just answer the phone for them, dumbass? The last time I checked I was getting ripped a new asshole for commercial auto while my Allstate agent was vacationing in the Keys.
From what we know so far, 2nd degree murder looks like an overly aggressive charge, I agree. But, we still don't know what the prosecution has in terms of totality of evidence that might justify it. In alot of these high profile cases, we see the defense team leak information to the media that supports their position, while DAs and prosecutors typically hold their key cards close to the vest. I'm not convinced that the 2nd degree charge was inappropriate or a strategic move designed to encourage Zimmerman to plead down to manslaughter, yet.
(05-18-2012, 04:24 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2012, 09:09 AM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2012, 08:26 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]LC, how much credence do you give that report?
I was in an accident once and other people in the car had a harebrained idea to sue. I briefly met with a doctor who was willing to state how horrible my injuries were (spinal etc.). I didn't go through with it but it showed me how corrupt and dishonest doctors can be in that regard.
This happens all the time. And THAT is why insurance is expensive. Because people commit fraud. Not because we are making boat loads of money.
We? Do you own the insurance company or do you just answer the phone for them, dumbass? The last time I checked I was getting ripped a new asshole for commercial auto while my Allstate agent was vacationing in the Keys.
I don't answer the phone dumbass. And if your premiums are high, it's because you have a shitty credit rating, tickets, accidents, criminal records....there are a lot of things that go into rating someone.
(05-18-2012, 04:24 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]From what we know so far, 2nd degree murder looks like an overly aggressive charge, I agree. But, we still don't know what the prosecution has in terms of totality of evidence that might justify it. In alot of these high profile cases, we see the defense team leak information to the media that supports their position, while DAs and prosecutors typically hold their key cards close to the vest. I'm not convinced that the 2nd degree charge was inappropriate or a strategic move designed to encourage Zimmerman to plead down to manslaughter, yet.
My guess is, the prosecution would be ecstatic if they knew Z was going to serve even 1 year of prison time. I'm with you, in that I think they're looking for a plea deal, get Z in jail (even if for a limited time) and get this behind them.
The reality is, Z's life really is fucked at this point. At least the life he's made if Florida. That'll never be the same for him again. Always looking over his shoulder and wondering.
Even if I feel that he was jumped (or suckerpunched), he IS the one that decided to pursue on foot when he was told not to. For that part alone, he should serve some time.
(05-18-2012, 04:31 PM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 04:24 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2012, 09:09 AM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2012, 08:26 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]LC, how much credence do you give that report?
I was in an accident once and other people in the car had a harebrained idea to sue. I briefly met with a doctor who was willing to state how horrible my injuries were (spinal etc.). I didn't go through with it but it showed me how corrupt and dishonest doctors can be in that regard.
This happens all the time. And THAT is why insurance is expensive. Because people commit fraud. Not because we are making boat loads of money.
We? Do you own the insurance company or do you just answer the phone for them, dumbass? The last time I checked I was getting ripped a new asshole for commercial auto while my Allstate agent was vacationing in the Keys.
I don't answer the phone dumbass. And if your premiums are high, it's because you have a shitty credit rating, tickets, accidents, criminal records....there are a lot of things that go into rating someone.
It's commercial auto, 8 trucks $1,000,000 liability. No accidents or shitty credit. They just thought they would screw me over for an extra $4000 when it was time to renew. Christ, you're even an idiot at your own job.
(05-18-2012, 05:01 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 04:31 PM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2012, 04:24 PM)sally Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2012, 09:09 AM)ramseycat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2012, 08:26 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]LC, how much credence do you give that report?
I was in an accident once and other people in the car had a harebrained idea to sue. I briefly met with a doctor who was willing to state how horrible my injuries were (spinal etc.). I didn't go through with it but it showed me how corrupt and dishonest doctors can be in that regard.
This happens all the time. And THAT is why insurance is expensive. Because people commit fraud. Not because we are making boat loads of money.
We? Do you own the insurance company or do you just answer the phone for them, dumbass? The last time I checked I was getting ripped a new asshole for commercial auto while my Allstate agent was vacationing in the Keys.
I don't answer the phone dumbass. And if your premiums are high, it's because you have a shitty credit rating, tickets, accidents, criminal records....there are a lot of things that go into rating someone.
It's commercial auto, 8 trucks $1,000,000 liability. No accidents or shitty credit. They just thought they would screw me over for an extra $4000 when it was time to renew. Christ, you're even an idiot at your own job.
First of all, I don't work in underwriting so that isn't my area of expertise. I handle injury files. Second, all of the things I listed are still taken into account whether it's a personal policy or a commercial policy. And third, you have a shitty agent if they are trying to screw you over. YOUR FAULT for not shopping around. But I bet there is a reason they raised your premiums that much. Husband fail the drug test?
(05-18-2012, 06:12 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]get the message? 
Oh yeah. I got it. Ramsey is spending the weekend ALONE once again and is pissy. Sally hires illegals to drive her "catering" trucks.
Does anybody else want to slit their wrists when the discussion turns to matters of insurance and Lean Cuisine for one?
If Florida makes ANY charge stick, you might as well start setting out your belongings on the curb so they don't break your windows coming in to get it.
