This is just getting so out of control. It's amazing how it has become the blame game, well its the victims fault, its everyone else who didn't come out to help, etc.
I watched the video of George in the station, and in the sally port. At one point when he turns to walk inside the station, he turns his head where you can see the back of his head. NOT once did i see dried blood, or marks on his BALD HEAD!! Also looking at the front of his shirt, he has no blood stains, not blood spatter, etc. Therefore I have come up with a couple questions, and views.
First, after he shot this kid, what did he do? Did he try to help him, did he put pressure on the wound or did he just step back and leave him to die?
Second, if he broke his nose like they are stating he would have blood of his own all down the front of his or even dried on his face somewhere. AND with broken noses you usually get 2 black eyes.
Love to read the hospital records!
Generally, people who are injured when arrested will be taken to the hospital before going to jail.
If he was close to the victim when he was shot, he will have blow back blood on his clothes and skin.
And the reports/rumors were that he was shot at close range, SO one would assume there would be blood all over the front of him.
(03-30-2012, 11:10 AM)LytoMe Wrote: [ -> ]And the reports/rumors were that he was shot at close range, SO one would assume there would be blood all over the front of him.
Blow back is a very fine spray or mist, I doubt that the footage was of sufficient quality to make it visable, it is also possible the clothes he was wearing were already gathered as evidence and he had changed clothes by the time he got to the jail, this would be true if he had already been to the hospital.
(03-30-2012, 11:14 AM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2012, 11:10 AM)LytoMe Wrote: [ -> ]And the reports/rumors were that he was shot at close range, SO one would assume there would be blood all over the front of him.
Blow back is a very fine spray or mist, I doubt that the footage was of sufficient quality to make it visable, it is also possible the clothes he was wearing were already gathered as evidence and he had changed clothes by the time he got to the jail, this would be true if he had already been to the hospital.
True, and I guess it would all depend on that scenario. That his clothes were taken into evidence, and he was cleaned up before he was taken in.
I am unsure if it is correct, but they stated he was taken roughly 7 hours after the shooting to the station.
(03-30-2012, 11:14 AM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2012, 11:10 AM)LytoMe Wrote: [ -> ]And the reports/rumors were that he was shot at close range, SO one would assume there would be blood all over the front of him.
Blow back is a very fine spray or mist, I doubt that the footage was of sufficient quality to make it visable, it is also possible the clothes he was wearing were already gathered as evidence and he had changed clothes by the time he got to the jail, this would be true if he had already been to the hospital.
I've heard on several reporting channels he didn't go to the hospital until the next day and he was "cleaned up". I can't remember if it was by police officers at the scene or if he did it himself after police arrived, they keep replaying it so i'll watch again for the clip and clarify when i hear it again.
But I have to point out, this was later at night. If he went to the hospital "the next day". that could have been 7 hours after the shooting, depending on how you look at it.
Just a little sidenote when listening to the tapes again, timing will be everything with this one.
Dick:
If he was close to the victim when he was shot, he will have blow back blood on his clothes and skin.
blowback is residue from the gun/shell.
blood spatter is something else.
(03-30-2012, 10:34 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
I halfassed watched an interview last night with the shooters brother. He actually had the gall to say if any of the people who heard his brothers calls for help had responded George wouldn't have had to shoot the kid. I didn't like his comment because I thought it was thinly disguised as blaming the people who wouldn't come outside their homes. He also couldn't explain why George didn't appear to have been in a fight for his life.
Agreed! Watched the interview on Pierce Morgan, I felt like reaching through the God blasted TV and bitch slapping the mother fucker! I live in Florida and this story has consumed our news as it has the nation, for that POS to come on and attempt to defend his murderous brother is an insult to normal, rational, gun caring citizens. I've listened and watched from the sidelines long enough, this stupid ass spick needs to be charged!
and i can find thousands of definitions for blowback being gun residue. you and i both know blood spatter is never referred to as blowback in general LE usage.
but we can be picky. pick pick poke. 
who the fuck ever heard of ezine as an authority?
i have never ever never heard blood spatter called blowback. ever.
(03-30-2012, 11:42 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]and i can find thousands of definitions for blowback being gun residue. you and i both know blood spatter is never referred to as blowback in general LE usage.
but we can be picky. pick pick poke.
who the fuck ever heard of ezine as an authority?
i have never ever never heard blood spatter called blowback. ever.
I won't get into it with you here LC, point blank gun shots do produce blow back blood spatter.
Go out and stand over a puddle and drop a big rock in it, tell me if you get wet.
point blank gun shots do produce blood spatter.
no shit sherlock. I KNOW THAT DICKIE. that wasn't the argument.
oh well, moving on...
(03-30-2012, 12:07 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]point blank gun shots do produce blood spatter.
no shit sherlock. I KNOW THAT DICKIE. that wasn't the argument.
oh well, moving on...
Don't force me to shit in here LC,
http://www.crimescene-forensics.com/Blood_Stains.html
Back spatter is a well known forensic tool.
If it's to late to collect evidence from Zimmerman, wouldn't Trayvon's body have marks that still could be evaluated if exhumed? I.E. marks on his hands indicating a serious fight (hitting zimmerman), Gun powder residue and conditions on his body and clothes that would indicate how close the gun was when he was fatally shot?
http://www.nij.gov/training/firearms-tra...t06_02.htm
The most basic type of distance determination occurs when the muzzle of the firearm is in contact with the target at the time of discharge. When fired at close range, the bullet, high velocity gases, and residues commonly cause gross physical effects and residue deposits that are easily observed by the unaided eye.
The physical effects that indicate a contact shot may include
ripping and tearing of cloth,
burning and/or singeing of cloth,
melted tips of artificial fibers,
heavy vaporous lead (smoke) deposits around a suspected bullet hole.
I think it was the use of the word "blow" that caused the contention.
Back spatter
yes. NOT blowback.
that is ballistics.
Zero i heard the pathologist who did martin's autopsy say he did not see injuries on hands that would indicate fighting. but he also said he wasn't looking for that.
he did say the shot was center mass. but did not say how close a range.
mob rule...let the looting commence! 
where were sharpton and prez. obama when a black kid shot and killed 2 white British tourists in fla.? not exactly a chamber of commerce moment. ---->
http://mockforums.net/thread-5551.html
where were the protests and marches and rhetoric??
OS
If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, the Rev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions.
Sharpton would not say the efforts would be taken against the city of Sanford specifically, but he has been critical of the police department's handling of the case.
Saturday's scheduled 11 a.m. march from Crooms Academy of Information Technology to the Sanford Police Department headquarters was organized by the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Impact- LC study it, then get back to me with your wal mart loss prevention law enforcement career opinion.
Thanks
(03-30-2012, 12:46 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]Impact- LC study it, then get back to me with your wal mart loss prevention law enforcement career opinion.
Thanks
WTF does THAT mean? that i once did loss prevention? and? you really hate it when i'm right.