(02-05-2011, 05:38 PM)RJs-Ex Wrote: [ -> ]I also wonder if the killer(s) left the scale/baggies/etc there on purpose, maybe to throw off the cops? Make it appear drug-related? Just throwing it out there.
my opinion being that no effort would have been necessary in order to make the presence of drugs and/or drug dealing quite apparent in that particular house at that particular time.
-pink
i hate stats and i don't think this is a cold case at all. by any stretch.
look at Zahra Baker case...nobody charged with her murder yet. they are getting all their ducks in a row, including forensics, to make a strong case to take to trial and WIN at trial. you (prosecution) only get one bite at the apple.
everyone watches too many cop shows on TV. these things aren't solved in an hour. or even 72 hours. the main thing this case will hang on, in my opinion, is forensics, DNA, cell phone records. and all kinds of sloppy evidence i suspect was left at an unprofessional crime scene.
(02-05-2011, 05:36 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2011, 05:25 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about that. Very nice, upscale home
not really upscale i wouldn't say, though maybe i'm a bit highbrow. tax value of about $200k, i'd call that middle class for the area.
(02-05-2011, 05:25 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]Johnny's mother alternately said he lived there and then she said he was house sitting. Which is it? The mother is a strange one because she says conflicting things (like she saw him in the basement and then her cousin saw him through the blinds). Who gets information like that wrong?!
i am not aware of where you obtained the info that she said "house sitting", i do not remember that phrase at all from the 911 calls.
mother never said basement, 911 operator said basement when she left a message for a detective to go to the scene.
(02-05-2011, 05:25 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]Was there any talk of Lisa being sexually assaulted? If not, it would seem that her killing was incidental to Johnny's - UNLESS when the cops came calling things were interupted. Maybe that's why her top was off.
my thought on this was that lisa was getting ready or showering after work when it all hit the fan. i'd wager there will be no evidence of any sexual assault found on lisa.
i've thought from the start that these killings were a signal saying loud and clear:
"johnny fucked us. if you fuck us, this is what happens to you and the ones you love. don't fuck us."
professional hit does not imply a hired hand. it implies a hit carried out by someone in the business of carrying out such hits, likely by a member of the same organization led by the person making above statement to everyone else within earshot of the situation.
-pink
Lemme go back and re-listen. I'm pretty certain she said both of those things.
Regarding the neighborhood: Lets compromise - upper middle class. Lots of swimming pools and houses that looked like they have high square footage. 200K assessed value (for taxes) = 400K market value, where I'm from (well, during the housing bubble, anyway, lol). I shall go back and review Google Earth.
(02-05-2011, 05:41 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2011, 05:38 PM)RJs-Ex Wrote: [ -> ]I also wonder if the killer(s) left the scale/baggies/etc there on purpose, maybe to throw off the cops? Make it appear drug-related? Just throwing it out there.
my opinion being that no effort would have been necessary in order to make the presence of drugs and/or drug dealing quite apparent in that particular house at that particular time.
-pink
Gotcha. And what would be the drug of choice, in your opinion? (I don't know if the scale makes it obvious.(?) My experience with drugs are with those that didn't have to be weighed. I'm almost embarrassed by my ignorance of this subject.)
(02-05-2011, 05:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]i hate stats and i don't think this is a cold case at all. by any stretch.
look at Zahra Baker case...nobody charged with her murder yet. they are getting all their ducks in a row, including forensics, to make a strong case to take to trial and WIN at trial. you (prosecution) only get one bite at the apple.
everyone watches too many cop shows on TV. these things aren't solved in an hour. or even 72 hours. the main thing this case will hang on, in my opinion, is forensics, DNA, cell phone records. and all kinds of sloppy evidence i suspect was left at an unprofessional crime scene.
the main difference in the zahra case and this case, however, is that they have had a pretty good idea right from the start what happened there...and people in custody very soon after as well.
oh and that isn't one thing to hang on, that's like fifty.
-pink
(02-05-2011, 05:54 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2011, 05:36 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]Jcat, DCTim, Shitstorm, i am making you members now, and thank you for your contributions. if you'd like to do an intro thread, that would be great, so other members can say hello. (some are mean though 
)
post an intro here: http://mockforums.net/forum-9.html
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mean's a rather broad term.
-pink
(02-05-2011, 05:57 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]there is a Zahra thread here of course. 
of course there is...but this is where i is right now, and you know i'm not afraid to taint threads.
my understanding is that zahra's dad is in the hoosegow also.
-pink
Okay, Pink, it's on the Facebook page, bottom third of the page, where it says this:
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub ‎##### 911 CALL #2
TO8007221
toledoblade.com
Thursday at 6:05pm · Like · Comment
Jacque Sowders Fleshman why didnt someone respond to the asap ????
23 hours ago · 2 people
http://www.facebook.com/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa
Mom says "house sitting"
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub ‎##### 911 CALL #3
TO8006721
www.toledoblade.com
Thursday at 6:04pm · Like · Comment
Sue Goldsmith WHY DID IT TAKE THREE 911 CALLS??????
This is so wrong!
3 hours ago
Chaundra N Justin Houke because that is ohios law enforcement evidently, they dont do anything UNTIL something happens!
2 hours ago
http://www.facebook.com/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa
Next FB post down, Mom says she saw him in the basement.
God, that 911 operator is a bitch.
(02-05-2011, 06:04 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]he has not been arrested. except once briefly on bad checks. he is walking around free. there are many angry villagers with pitchforks demanding his arrest and subsequent lynching.
not only that, but I see they have a live webcam feed.
-pink
I don't know about you guys but I never like hearing stuff like, "he's getting his life straightened around". One of life's big red flags.
(02-05-2011, 06:05 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]Mom says "house sitting"
i just listened again and yes, about two minutes in on the first call, mom does say "house sitting" however she did say before that they live there with her parents.
technically, since the parents were away, the two of them were house sitting. i see this as a little nitpicky, i don't personally feel the mom had anything to do with anything any more than tiffany did.
mom is upset, has heart issues, thinks something has happened to her son. i'd say she's allowed a little leeway with semantics, it's not like she turned her story around 180 degrees or anything.
-pink
(02-05-2011, 06:24 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]link?
lol
LC had already embedded the feed into her original post.
-pink
(02-05-2011, 06:10 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]Next FB post down, Mom says she saw him in the basement.
from my recollection, 911 operator quotes mom as saying she saw them in the basement.
again, i think this is all nitpicky. this mom is hysterical, she knows her son well enough to know that something very bad is right in the process of happening, and she is helpless to do anything. i don't think the specific semantics of what mom says on three frantic 911 calls is as important as the general message.
-pink
very sad indeed>>>
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
Maytee La Cubana Vazqueez wrote, on the wall of Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
No one knows the pain i feel of loosin my beautiful son johnny and his gf lisa my son is the sweetest kindest soul any mother would be proud to have.......
wat they have done to mu son n her is unforgivable is the most evil gruesome im sick to my stomach.
they took away my son my best friend a brothe a grandson a nephew a beautiful person.
these evil demons that did this deserve the death penalty i promise i will not rest til justice is served and even then my lofe will never ever be the same ever again.
his lil brothers write him letters to heaven now i cnt sleep eat or ever stop thinkin about my son i love johnny more then anything and everything just like my other two sons i wouldve died for him i would give anything to bring him back to me now ;,,,,,,,