first i want to say a thanks to "unknown" who provided us w/ the best insight thus far in the initial threads, and my deepest condolences to him as well.
second, i'm intrigued by a recent posting on T's FB if u look right now under recent postings by a female and click on that link and read the comments section...???
(02-11-2011, 01:29 AM)curious Wrote: [ -> ]first i want to say a thanks to "unknown" who provided us w/ the best insight thus far in the initial threads, and my deepest condolences to him as well.
second, i'm intrigued by a recent posting on T's FB if u look right now under recent postings by a female and click on that link and read the comments section...???
" i got alot goin on here 2 dat i wish woulds jhus get over.....if i could i would b der as soon as possible....shyt u think in a couple weeks robbie will drive down n get me n a.p 4 lyk a week.."
I noticed that as well, pretty sure it's in relation to a family member being terminally ill, from other things I've read.
(02-10-2011, 09:25 PM)concerned Wrote: [ -> ]No it is her. She dates alot... putting it nicely. She dates within the same circle of friends. She has stayed away from Z due to all that has happened. His mother must have finally wised up.
concerned, would you please the quote function when you're replying to another poster? When you don't, it's hard to know what you're talking about.
I know I'm a few pages back but regarding this back and forth about Tiffany - the one we've all been looking at on Facebook is is Donald Corrigan's baby mama. The skanky one with a tattoo on her arm. Her boyfriend is Aaron.
(02-11-2011, 01:29 AM)curious Wrote: [ -> ]first i want to say a thanks to "unknown" who provided us w/ the best insight thus far in the initial threads, and my deepest condolences to him as well.
second, i'm intrigued by a recent posting on T's FB if u look right now under recent postings by a female and click on that link and read the comments section...???
Grandma was getting test results today. If you go to that persons wall, you will see that most of the posters are related. Tiffany has also posted that Grandma is sick. I believe they are cousins. My guess anyway.
Skanky LOL - why would Lisa want a skanky friend like Tiff - its so sad.
(02-10-2011, 11:58 PM)allieayy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.
E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.
Wow. Thanks for that (presuming it's true).
I noticed that on the Justice for Johnny & Lisa FB page that all of the people are Johnny's friends. No long time friends of Lisa have left comments. Two different worlds.
I'll bet that Lisa's parents were not fans of Johnny.
(02-11-2011, 12:05 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 11:38 PM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]SunQuote:day @ 11:00 pm - John and "Tiff" talk on the phone. Tiff states John plans on picking her up and is about to head out the door.
Shortly after the prior phone call -Tiff calls John back to tell him she is going to the store so he should wait a minute and overhears the phone dropping and along with the comment "Bro what are you doing"
From ~11:05pm to ~1:00am - Tiff attempts to reach both John and Lisa by phoning them and texting them. Tiff says she drives by the house and the lights are on. One statement places Tiff at the front door to ring the doorbell but there is no answer. Tiff calls one of her friends, who calls another friend who in turn calls JC's mother.
One would think this would happen one call right after the other, in a quick way. After someone tells you they think JC and LS have home intruders in the house, you don't ask how their day has been going
See, my opinion is that the phone call, the picking up, the driving by the house, the hearing "who are you" is ALL bullshit. I think Tiff is knee deep alright, and IF she called Johnny's phone, they didn't talk cuz whatever was going down had already started. EVERYTHING Tiff says is conjecture..HER word ONLY. No one can dispute it at this point, and let's face it, what SHE said has certainly slanted the investigation cuz everyone was using her statements to support a home invasion cuz that's what she WANTED people to think. We know Lisa had on her uniform still, and having a daughter that was a waitress, I completely get it when Lisa's parents say that the FIRST thing she did upon entering home was to strip off the uniform. My daughter would start stripping as she walked in the house cuz their clothes STINK. I think the killers were either waiting for them, or followed in right behind them. Tiff waited till 1:03 to call somebody (establishing that she couldn't possibly be involved cuz she was "concerned") She waited till 1 to call someone because she knew at that time they were already dead. They murdered J & L for MONEY, REVENGE, or JEALOUSY. They then staged the burglary, tossing the house and taking a jar of coins and 2 20's. Robbers do NOT just take a jar of coins, not to mention they didn't take Lisa's purse which was probably stuffed with tips that she just earned.
I firmly believe that they were killed probably within an hour of entering the house...making them dead by midnite. Johnny's mom stated that their faces "wouldn't move", or they couldn't move their faces and that they were cold, suggesting rigor had set in (because of the immovability of their faces)
I am in medicine in this town and I have absolutely no faith in the coroners office here, nor in the Sheriffs dept.
The local media here has been extremely quiet, as has LE, almost like the vicious murdesr of 2 young people in a predominantly white upper middle class neighborhood is status quo. It is NOT. This should be all over the place but at least the print media is suspiciously mum. That leads me to believe LE has asked for a new blackout as they want nothing leaked until they have arrest warrants...then all shit will hit the fan.
of course, this is JMHO
Totally on board with your opinion Jash. Thanks for breaking it down
Same here. I think there's a good chance that the killers were in the house or lying in wait when Lisa came home from work.
The Friday before the murders, T wrote : “cant believe da way things b...!thought things were gonna get better but i guess jus lil things make it worse....it's okkay no more tears dis way.,not nomore..!”
After the murders (Posted at 6pm on the 31st, Monday), T wrote : “R.I.P JOHNNY N LISA....I LOVE YA.....ALWAYS IN MY HEART.....”
Followed by a reply to her own comment, when someone wondered what happened:
“2 OF MY FRIENDS WERE MURDERED LAST NYTE...I HOPE THEY FIND OUT WHO DID DIS SHYT...I FEEL SO BADD FOR THEIR PARENTS...JUS ALOT OF CRAZY SHYT...I CANT WAIT TILL DEY GET 2 DA BOTTOM OF DIS..”
Febuary 2nd T wrote: " i love u aaron patrick, donovan , josiah, an don don...!"
And every post after that has consisted of similar content, her unwavering love for the man in the photos. She was in a horrible mood and troubled state prior to the murders, and after the murders she is in a better mood. There is no other writing about the evening she discovered JC and LS's bodies. I think anyone would be devastated by that. I find that very strange.
So who's got T's kids? The oldest one is with his dad, apparently. But the other 2? I just cannot get past that she's got 3 kids from 3 different fathers, and she doesn't have custody of a single one of them? And another on the way by yet another guy? Add to that the "Child Endangerment" charge on that arrest log (it was amended to Disorderly Conduct, but STILL...kids were obviously present!)
I have to stop trying to give her the benefit of the doubt just because she's a pregnant mother of 3. I know people with this kind of lifestyle exist, but...
DAMN!
I'm still going w/ my opinion on pg. 32 thread #442...btw haven't heard from an0n since then???
(02-11-2011, 01:59 AM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 11:58 PM)allieayy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.
E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.
Wow. Thanks for that (presuming it's true).
I noticed that on the Justice for Johnny & Lisa FB page that all of the people are Johnny's friends. No long time friends of Lisa have left comments. Two different worlds.
I'll bet that Lisa's parents were not fans of Johnny.
No one from Lisa's side or who is friends of her family members will join that page out of respect for LS and her family. Your observation is correct and the lack of participation on that FB page, from anyone on her side should speak volumes. The police presence at her funeral was both weird and comforting. I believe they will solve this very soon, just waiting for DNA results. The limited information given to the press, the lack of leaks, the few posters on here that I can say from my knowledge are correct and not spreading rumors...all = LE is very close to making arrests in this case. My heart aches for the pain of this family, Lisa's funeral was beautiful and dignified. Johnny's I'm afraid and almost certain will somehow end up on the news tomorrow. Just saying with his group, I'm thinking anything can happen.
(02-11-2011, 02:35 AM)curiouscat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2011, 01:59 AM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 11:58 PM)allieayy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.
E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.
Wow. Thanks for that (presuming it's true).
I noticed that on the Justice for Johnny & Lisa FB page that all of the people are Johnny's friends. No long time friends of Lisa have left comments. Two different worlds.
I'll bet that Lisa's parents were not fans of Johnny.
No one from Lisa's side or who is friends of her family members will join that page out of respect for LS and her family. Your observation is correct and the lack of participation on that FB page, from anyone on her side should speak volumes. The police presence at her funeral was both weird and comforting. I believe they will solve this very soon, just waiting for DNA results. The limited information given to the press, the lack of leaks, the few posters on here that I can say from my knowledge are correct and not spreading rumors...all = LE is very close to making arrests in this case. My heart aches for the pain of this family, Lisa's funeral was beautiful and dignified. Johnny's I'm afraid and almost certain will somehow end up on the news tomorrow. Just saying with his group, I'm thinking anything can happen.
What police department was present at the funeral?
Im new here all.. when unknown gave alot to the thread early on...I was wondering since drugs particular percs were named...Does anyone think that JC's mother may have had a feeling because it was her percs he may have been drug dealing with? Just wondering because even before this happened to her son she looks loopy.
(02-11-2011, 02:06 AM)Stolly Wrote: [ -> ]The Friday before the murders, T wrote : “cant believe da way things b...!thought things were gonna get better but i guess jus lil things make it worse....it's okkay no more tears dis way.,not nomore..!”
After the murders (Posted at 6pm on the 31st, Monday), T wrote : “R.I.P JOHNNY N LISA....I LOVE YA.....ALWAYS IN MY HEART.....”
Followed by a reply to her own comment, when someone wondered what happened:
“2 OF MY FRIENDS WERE MURDERED LAST NYTE...I HOPE THEY FIND OUT WHO DID DIS SHYT...I FEEL SO BADD FOR THEIR PARENTS...JUS ALOT OF CRAZY SHYT...I CANT WAIT TILL DEY GET 2 DA BOTTOM OF DIS..”
Febuary 2nd T wrote: " i love u aaron patrick, donovan , josiah, an don don...!"
And every post after that has consisted of similar content, her unwavering love for the man in the photos. She was in a horrible mood and troubled state prior to the murders, and after the murders she is in a better mood. There is no other writing about the evening she discovered JC and LS's bodies. I think anyone would be devastated by that. I find that very strange.
Dunno what to make of the being down/depressed, then all of the "I love you" posts, but I sure did notice the RIP post followed by NOTHING. Conclusion: Their deaths mean nothing to her. Notice she's not posting on that Justice for J&L FB page, either.
(02-11-2011, 02:39 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2011, 02:35 AM)curiouscat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2011, 01:59 AM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 11:58 PM)allieayy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.
E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.
Wow. Thanks for that (presuming it's true).
I noticed that on the Justice for Johnny & Lisa FB page that all of the people are Johnny's friends. No long time friends of Lisa have left comments. Two different worlds.
I'll bet that Lisa's parents were not fans of Johnny.
No one from Lisa's side or who is friends of her family members will join that page out of respect for LS and her family. Your observation is correct and the lack of participation on that FB page, from anyone on her side should speak volumes. The police presence at her funeral was both weird and comforting. I believe they will solve this very soon, just waiting for DNA results. The limited information given to the press, the lack of leaks, the few posters on here that I can say from my knowledge are correct and not spreading rumors...all = LE is very close to making arrests in this case. My heart aches for the pain of this family, Lisa's funeral was beautiful and dignified. Johnny's I'm afraid and almost certain will somehow end up on the news tomorrow. Just saying with his group, I'm thinking anything can happen.
What police department was present at the funeral?
The Lucas County Detectives working the case were there, the lady dt. was sitting there watching ppl walk in and full uniformed Toledo Police Officers....makes sense though it was in Toledo and the TPD would be present to assist with security.
(02-11-2011, 12:25 AM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ]hey everyone!! new here. been following other forums on this case. didn't know that this one even existed!!! i tried to read all 119 pages. forget about it!!! i'm not verified yet but i am extended family of Lisa and i am also a local all my life. lisa's showing and funeral were sad. so many beautiful pictures of her. it was weird to see her body in the casket and visions of what they did pop into my mind horrible. the detectives were there mostly to keep psych mom and her posse out.
I've been to the funeral of a murder victim (someone's only child) and it was ghastly.
Something I noticed in all of Lisa's photos was that she was so damn cute. It's just inconceivable that she died like that.
Do you happen to know anything about her relationship with Johnny, like what Lisa's parents thought of him? How about her previous boyfriend?
Yeah. I dont think her and her younger dude had money for perqs and they were craving perqs. I believe it was her, the younger boyfriend, MR Z, and another dude and they arrived earlier than JC and LS because they knew Johnny would be getting perqs off his mother to get high with for the pool party that night but they knew JC wouldnt probably let them get high without the money to buy the perqs. I think in the 2nd 911, Tiffany sounds high and she mentions cabinets...But how come the mother or father of JC or the COPS dont see what Tiffany seen that the house look messed up...(cabinets open, disarrayed) What I gathered from it is no one could see in until someone was lifted. I believe she was not there at the time it started but was definetly there after helping come up with alibi for her younger boyfriend, MR Z and his friend, IMO...they were definetly there for drugs and quickly because they are so addicted to the drugs. This is why Tiff is no longer talking to the younger dude, MR Z.
