(02-22-2011, 04:37 PM)fabulous Wrote: [ -> ]I'm trying to catch up here...wow...it's hard to have a full time job, be a mother and keep up with this thread : )
but...doesn't it ring odd that the security system wires were "cut" and no response from LE or the security system company. I mean what is the point of security system if you can just "cut" the wires and move on with your crime. Even if the wires had been cut a few days earlier...it seems that someone would have responded in some way. I'm also thinking, given that we already know LE "leaks" certain "facts" of the case that aren't necessarily the truth. could this be one of them?
also...I'm sure the neighbors know alot. in a neighborhood like this neighbors know when people come and go and who is here and there. did they see alot of cars, kids in and out. late night visitors the weekend her parents were gone. You'd be surprised at what neighbors know about each other.
and my last thought...for all the people that are wondering why maytee said "holland" but the address is Maumee or Springfield twp ...or vice versa...it's becuase that area of our town is kind of mixing of those three suburbs. that area and that neighborhood especially is where holland and Maumee come together, locals would call is Springfiled Township, but I'm not sure anyone would refer to it as that if you weren't from that area. It's the southwestern suburbs of Toledo.
This may have been answered ....
I believe it was Unknown who said the wires were cut (speculating?). Lisa's uncle said the alarm had been disabled. That could mean all sorts of things - no longer paying the alarm/security company, i.e., discontinued the service; broken, etc.
(02-22-2011, 04:40 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 03:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like the minor doesn't have one either.
If you mean ZB, he has one but it's virtually blank - no posts, no photos, no friends, no joining date, just school, city, sex and language. It either hasn't been used or everything has been deleted, if that's possible.
It is possible to delete everything. However, a subpoena could recover it all if need be. Like Google, Facebook is one big data mining operation and they keep ALL records. Properly paranoid people don't use FB or Google!
Zero: That post was back on Feb 21.......I had my hopes up that we would have something besides speculation and Facebook probes.....
LC can you blame us for gettin antsie?
nope, i'm going batshit crazy too. but i have other cases i watch to keep me occupied.
(02-22-2011, 07:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:11 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 05:33 PM)Jane Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 05:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ]Has anybody thought about the fact that Lisa was more wounded than Johnny?
Usually blood and wounds are a sign of a fight and yet Lisa was the bloody one. Because she fought harder? Nope.
Were the intruders either punishing Johnny (maybe for not paying back a drug debt or snitching or something) by making him watch them hurting, raping, etc. Lisa OR were they doing these things to Lisa to get Johnny to talk and give them information about something (where a safe is, what the combination is, where drugs are, the list could go on and on)?
that's exactly how I think it went down, IF it's true, that Lisa was injured much worse than Johnny. We've heard 3 rumors of what might have happened to Lisa. Raped, hit with a baseball bat, & her tongue being injured in some way ... I think the rumor may very well be true, that Johnny had bragged about a safe being in the home.
I think its possible there really was safe in the house, that the perpes were able to force JC or LS to provide info for the perps to empty it. And the Dinars were the booty and some Dinars were dropped as they were removed from the safe and and possibly a few were dropped thru the house as the perpes made an exit. Could explain why Dinars were taken as evidence, the few that remained, possibly providing fingure prints or a serial number sequence to reseach if Dinars surfaced at a money brokerage house.
There was no safe.
zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."
i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.
p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?
I hadn't thought of that. It's possible. We don't know how much info that's been given by LE, is actually the whole truth, if you think aabout that...Same with the bodies not having injuries. I don't think it's all that far fetched at all.
& you did fine, my nigga!
(02-22-2011, 08:56 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 08:35 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: [ -> ]SOMEBODY has to know something!!! Locals, what are you hearing?
I've heard rumors it was AP.
Important! someone help my memory. is AP the army and Iraq veteran? was he also one of the 475 entertainment with the snitch clothing? who had the snitch tat? he is tiff's bf correct? (sorry I lost track at prof plum in the billiards room with the candle stick)
if this wasn't first a hit with the robbery as only 2
nd thought, then it was a robbery that ended in murder. so what sends it to the level of such a sadisitic murder? assume the bags were to carry the loot. the tape to tape up the victims. But then Johnny stabbed them. that pissed off the mentally sickest of the crew that said fuck no I'll show you. who of the group that have been listed here seems the most evil?
I think original plan was tape them up, take their shit, tiff shows up later as a hero to let them out of the tape. the murders left garage door up so tiff could enter. she goes in and sees it went very wrong, starts to panick as well as get her story staight.
any thougts. I know its just bs guessing but without a presser I have nothing else to do. I have to admit, being that I live in the area this has spooked me. I don't think I have let my doors be unlocked for one second since this happened. course it doesn't help to sit here and read this and think about it all day. just reinforces the spooked feeling. keep looking over my shoulder in my own home.
So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.
(02-22-2011, 09:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.
Where did you hear there was a basement? And don't say Maytee told you
(02-22-2011, 09:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.
They might have wanted them found by Johnnys parents or thats where they fought with Johnny and left him there. My guess.
(02-22-2011, 08:51 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:54 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:11 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]
zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."
i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.
p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?
yo!! Justsayin..
u got da talk down..lol....
Here is that video where Maytee explains with her hands the way the tape was on her son and the remnants left in a bag near the body. Can you give me an opinion why there are no tears streaming down from her eyes. I have lost someone dear to me and the last thing I could hide were my tears.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127
I noticed that also. She sounds like she's crying, but there are no tears, whatsoever.
(02-22-2011, 09:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.
From what I remember in the posts, the KIT/Dining/Family room are all connected with only the suggestion of division like maybe a bar/counter area, that this area, from the ouside looking in, could seem like it was the basement being the lowest room in the house. Thus the references to Basement in some 911 talk. The biggest question raised for me is the reference to "the house ransacked" as this would only explain the condition of the Master Bedroom that was not able to viewed from the outside of the house unless the person hoisted you 15 feet above their shoulders. Its possible someone had been in that house, saw what took place, and wanted police there but left first before notifying anyone else.
(02-22-2011, 08:45 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 08:28 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]The way the bags and Duct Tape was uesd on JC and LS was defenately "TO KILL"...If I can locate the Video of Maytee gesturung with her hands as she explained the wrapping of the tape around their heads I see her motioning as if the bag in place was wrapped tightly by tape not just to secure the bag to their necks but it was wrapped repeatedly around their heads. She also says tape ina bag or something like that was left next to the bodies.
I can see the perps bringing duct tape with them if they planned to use it to restrain the kids, but the use of the bags is so horrific that I just can't imagine the type of person who could do this. Shooting them would be different somehow because it's quick, but to watch them struggle and suffer would take a sadist.
YOU can't imagine it and neither can I. But from what I've read of some folks' posting on FB about legal killing in the military, etc, I'm sure there are more than a few sadists out there among us.
(02-22-2011, 05:01 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 04:48 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 03:57 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2011, 02:46 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]Talked to my brother again today. He says the FBI contacted his boss to get info on a newly former employee. (I won't give the name unless I have permission to) BUT I looked up this person on FB. He's a 20 yr old male, looks like he joined FB at the end of January & right on the top of his FB friends is AG/AP.
Could that newly former employee and the suspect EastcoastKat refers to below be the same GUY?
To: TotallyCurious
I post here the previous entry. Its vague and gathered from another bulletin board and cannot be tested for its veracity....but I would answer your question as Its entorely possible....
(02-20-2011 04:45 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
1ST PERSON:
I was told that it is concerning the murder of Lisa and Johnny. I have no idea of what his initials are. I don't believe the neighbors know him personally. From what I was told he knows he's a suspect and has been hiding out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if this guy has anything to do with the case they'll find him soon.
Zero. would this male person who is hiding out have worked with Lisa?
Does any one know if Johnny had a job?
- EastCoastKat - 02-20-2011 04:45 PM
This was posted at another site I go to for updates:
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH!
1ST. PERSON:
I was just told to be careful and to keep my doors locked because the police have a suspect that lives a few streets away. They questioned the neighbors as to when they last
saw him and said he is a suspect in a double homicide. They have been there several times to arrest him and he has not been home. I can't believe this! I was just told to be
careful and keep my doors locked 2 weeks ago because there was a murder suspect a few streets away. The next thing I knew the area was swarming with undercover agents
and dogs..... They arrested the man that shot and killed his boss from that fork lift company that very evening!
2N PERSON:
sounds like you need to move
1ST PERSON:
Believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than once. I've lived here for four years and during this time it's been very peaceful. It's just been the last few weeks that it's
gotten a little crazy. Someone busted the neighbors door in a few weeks ago at 8 in the evening. I heard the noise. It sounded like a car crash it was so loud. She was in
bed(she has to get up early) and came out yelling "What the hell" It scared them and they took off.. She doesn't own any modern eletronics and has a 15 yr old tv. She said
she's going to put a sign up that says if you want my tv just ask... Don't break my door. How Sad!!!
2ND PERSON:
Adding. if you're referring to the suspect in the Clarke, Straub murders, what are the initials of the suspect in question, if you don't mind my asking?
1ST PERSON:
I was told that it is concerning the murder of Lisa and Johnny. I have no idea of what his initials are. I don't believe the neighbors know him personally. From what I was told
he knows he's a suspect and has been hiding out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if this guy has anything to do with the case they'll find him soon.
Okay, I remember that post. Makes me think of VD who one of our members (toledoarea?) said was gone from FB for a week and came back needing a "fone".
(02-22-2011, 09:27 PM)DickTracy Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is the 1st time I have heard this....
There was no forcible entry relating to a home invasion; however it appeared as if someone had been searching through a part of the home, according to Det. Stooksbury. It is believed Lisa and Johnny knew their killer(s).
I have heard others say it, but not LE. (in bold)
makes sense then, that LE hasn't said this is a 'random' crime, & for people to lock their doors, etc...
Not to mention, baggies and digital scales were found. I keep my ziplock "baggies" for my lunch sandwiches in the kitchen.
(02-22-2011, 05:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ]Someone said the case might be going cold...NO WAY.
Look at this amazing case. The police have their work cut out for them, having to look at all these different shady people that Johnny and Lisa knew. Including Johnny's parents.
The police know what they are doing and they will catch the killers. I have absolutely no doubt. If I had to guess what the hold up with making an arrest is...
It is that LE is just waiting for their DNA, etc. test results to come back. Once they have that, somebody is going to fry. And I, for one, can't wait.
I can't wait either. When it happens this thread goes to 1000 pages. Lets hope there isn't some big long lag between arrests and trials, like with Casey Anthony.
i know Duchess will pray i get my arse back here. 
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