(02-09-2011, 11:31 PM)jenjen Wrote: [ -> ]It has been a couple days since I listened to the 911 tapes so please tell me if my thought process is wrong.....
The Sheriff was dispatched on the 2nd 911 call at 2:06 a.m., they stayed at the house approx. 36 minutes, assuming the sheriff's left at approx. 2:42 a.m.
Wasn't T at the house (she drove dad there), on the 2nd call, when Mom & the cousin had her blocked in the drive??
The 3rd 911 call, when they found them, came at 3:50 a.m.
My question: WHAT were Mom, Dad, Cousin and T all doing from
2:42 a.m. until 3:50 a.m.??? It sure doesn't take 1 hour and 8 minutes to look in the windows....that is an awful lot of time....do you see where I'm going with this?
I don't know. But add to this another question - if Mom did not know Tiff, then why the hell did Dad get in a car with her and go to Lisa's? That just seemed so strange to me. AND why did Mom keep saying, "Here is her number.." I think she said it nine times.
I can't believe that idiot Tiffany still has her FB as public. Everyone else shut down their FB's pretty rapidly.
At this point, I think this whole case is being looked at the wrong way. It is my opinion that Tiffany is ass deep in this and why is everyone thinking what she said is the truth?? I think she lied, lied, lied. I DO NOT think she heard Johnny say ANY of those things cuz what happened was already happening, she was making a call to establish an alibi of sorts. They may be stupid but they know that no one can get a recording of the actual call she says she had with Johnny, all she had to do was call his phone and say she talked to him.
Motives are usually pretty simple and usally one of three things..
MONEY
SEX
REVENGE
that's about it.
Money- The drug angle
SEX- We do not know if lisa was sexually assaulted, or if her ex is involved..but this would be his motive.
REVENGE- Lets see, he was in prison, tiff's BF was an armed robber who eventually was killed by his victim, Johnny's mom and dad certainly have made their own enemies with their records, Lisa's ex could also be in play here, or even an UNSUB...perhaps a female that masterminded it all cuz she was jealous of Lisa or Johnny..spurned love affair, whatever. If a woman masterminded it, they usually have NO problem talking some dumbshit ape to "lend a hand" in the actual killing.
TIFF TIFF TIFF.....ass deep in this shit.
(02-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 10:15 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 09:10 PM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ]Wow great board-checking back in after finding it a few days ago.
My speculations only:
Very well thought out and explained!
In short, you too are considering the possibility that Johnny was in on it until things went terribly wrong.
On the other hand, a new element has been introduced since the earlier speculation - that of an alleged ex-boyfriend of Lisa, who allegedly has a bad temper and just got out of prison.
If true, could this be a revenge killing? Could he have expected LS to wait for him?; since coming out, was he slighted, shunned or worse yet mocked in some humiliating way by Johnny and/or Lisa?
This is a new element to ponder. I wish we knew his name so that we could at least check out his complete criminal record, priors if any etc.
Very good points. I stil think the factors of the parents being out of town/opportunity and J & L having pool parties at the house recently and those people (connected to Johnny and Lisa, not the ex) knowing the parents were gone will prove the link, not the ex.However, lots has been insinuated about the ex so I wlil be interested to know more about him. So far no one has been able to dig up much about him?
Nothing is impossible. Although I still think a group of people caused the murder of Johnny and Lisa, I am also reminded about the BTK killer who killed many people at once on his own and the recent killer in the past year who killed three people and put their dismembered bodies in a tree and lead the police to the bodies after thankfully his fourth young victim was found alive and bound in his basement. He killed them all on is own?? It is hard for any of us not in the position to imagine ONE person being able to subdue four people, let alone just two, so who knows? The ex could be a possibility.
Although we do not have children of our own, I have always advised my nieces and nephews if anyone pulls a weapon on you in public and tries to get you into a vehicle to take you to a second location-this usually means death-run and scream bloody murder-sad that Lisa and Johnny were in what they perceived as a safe location-her home :( I am still confident this will be solved and be proved a personal relationship, not a professional hit. I just hope justice is found asap to help the families.
(02-09-2011, 11:59 PM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe that idiot Tiffany still has her FB as public. Everyone else shut down their FB's pretty rapidly.
At this point, I think this whole case is being looked at the wrong way. It is my opinion that Tiffany is ass deep in this and why is everyone thinking what she said is the truth?? I think she lied, lied, lied. I DO NOT think she heard Johnny say ANY of those things cuz what happened was already happening, she was making a call to establish an alibi of sorts. They may be stupid but they know that no one can get a recording of the actual call she says she had with Johnny, all she had to do was call his phone and say she talked to him.
Motives are usually pretty simple and usally one of three things..
MONEY
SEX
REVENGE
that's about it.
Money- The drug angle
SEX- We do not know if lisa was sexually assaulted, or if her ex is involved..but this would be his motive.
REVENGE- Lets see, he was in prison, tiff's BF was an armed robber who eventually was killed by his victim, Johnny's mom and dad certainly have made their own enemies with their records, Lisa's ex could also be in play here, or even an UNSUB...perhaps a female that masterminded it all cuz she was jealous of Lisa or Johnny..spurned love affair, whatever. If a woman masterminded it, they usually have NO problem talking some dumbshit ape to "lend a hand" in the actual killing.
TIFF TIFF TIFF.....ass deep in this shit.
THE TELEPHONE PINGS WILL TELL THE STORY!!!
(02-09-2011, 11:54 PM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ]Posted on the Justif for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub page by JC's mom about a half hour ago:
"Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Her name is tiffany williams and she was also involved in a set up last year robbery gone bad where her boyfriend got shot n killed by the guy she set up so her boyfriend and others could rob....i hope she rots in hell forever and dies with the rest of demons that did this i hate them n i wont rest til they pay
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Maytee La Cubana Vazquez I will mention her name shes a fucking bitch and she knows i hope she rots in hell n dies for not calling police at 11... The kids would prolly still be alive if she wouldve called.i wish them the worst death ever ;,,,( god forgive me"
!!!!!!!!
The earlier accusation with the misspellings could not be found by me last time, so this time, just in case it is removed, I quickly went to the webpage, expanded the comments and saved the pages as a pdf.
(02-09-2011, 07:51 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 07:50 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 02:20 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 02:10 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: [ -> ]if you dont want to be in it dont be everyone is wondering the truth, pretty sure we all are wrong on some things but not others, so yes rather drugs or not, we all want to know, ask yourself how really started all the drugs and really keep them going, check out infowars.com wow
And this is directed to . . . ?
sorry the white devil, they dont even need to be here.
i'll decide who needs to be here. she is a valued member.
Sounds like a drink - like a white Russian only with a different hard liquor. Maybe Kaluha, cream and white lightning. Sort of a hillbilly white Russian.
But I digress ....
if the police haven't looked into her as a suspect yet (which kind of seems like they havent or shes just too dumb to put her facebook down) someone needs to have them begin looking at the details.
Hell, I feel like we might be better off solving this than LE at this point!
i also screen capped it before it could be deleted
(02-10-2011, 12:08 AM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ]if the police haven't looked into her as a suspect yet (which kind of seems like they havent or shes just too dumb to put her facebook down) someone needs to have them begin looking at the details.
Hell, I feel like we might be better off solving this than LE at this point!
After I saw this, I had to go check out the Justice page. LS family has been quite and respectful over the past week, couldn't the mother let it be that they set up a reward fund of thier own? Instead she had to come back that she's setting up her own fund once she buries her son? UGH! It makes me so nauseated the way she acts, it seems as if she's mourning the loss of her best "homie" instead of her son!
I also think Lisa's family may come out and say something soon. I know the funeral and visitation were for close friends and family only, hence nothing in the obituaries (it's supposed to go up tomorrow since everything is done or so i've heard through reliable sources). And i wonder how big of a deal Johnnys funeral is going to be...or what would happen if Tiffany even had the NERVE to show up there..this could get dramatic.
How many places hire ex cons in the county? I know in Seattle there is
a factory which allows it, and Detroit passed a law that says it is not
legal to ask the question on an employment form.
There are probably more places than you think! I could be wrong, but I think in some states employers get tax breaks for hiring felons. Kind of like the tax break they get from hiring people off of welfare.
(02-10-2011, 12:18 AM)seriouslycurious Wrote: [ -> ]There are probably more places than you think! I could be wrong, but I think in some states employers get tax breaks for hiring felons. Kind of like the tax break they get from hiring people off of welfare.
This was in response to Totallycurious...darn Newbie getting all excited to answer something!
(02-09-2011, 08:16 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:29 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 02:10 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: [ -> ]if you dont want to be in it dont be everyone is wondering the truth, pretty sure we all are wrong on some things but not others, so yes rather drugs or not, we all want to know, ask yourself how really started all the drugs and really keep them going, check out infowars.com wow
What does Alex Jones (Infowars) have to do with any of this?
sorry, I thought I was reply to cracker, he is clueless, and so am I when it comes to the pc,,,, so no I listen to alex jones and when it comes to drugs there is so much the public dont realize
For those not familiar with AJ
http://www.infowars.com/
http://jonesreport.com/
(02-10-2011, 12:19 AM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 08:10 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Could this be Lisa's father on this list?
Great achievement! http://www.smartmoney.com/news/PR/?story...208-002053&\
Sure looks right.
UPS = Hard workers
LOL I love that you say that. UPS = Hard workers. It's true. All the shit people order online. Guess how it gets to your house? It's not magic that the truck is beeping backwards into your driveway.
(02-10-2011, 12:08 AM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ]if the police haven't looked into her as a suspect yet (which kind of seems like they havent or shes just too dumb to put her facebook down) someone needs to have them begin looking at the details.
Hell, I feel like we might be better off solving this than LE at this point!
LE does not owe it to any of us to tell us who they are investigating to protect and preserve the casep-I think we all know they are looking at all these things. Oh I have no doubt Miss T is at the top of their list so just be patient. I have a feeling Miss T is going to be in a HEAP of trouble before this case is over..If so, I cannot wait to see her indicted and see her appear in court in her new, nice little conservative outfits/normal talk and stalling uhmmmmmm on the 911 calls and then have the Facebook texts where she talks ghetto/ganster nonstop esp. where she praised her beloved Don that went down as a soldier God wanted back after he was killed trying to rob someone-. Dear Lord, this WILL happen and she will go down if she had part in these murders! Even above this, I hope her kids get taken away for good so they have an accutaul opportunity to have a wonderful life which they will never have possible with this monster selfish gangsta bitch.
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