(02-20-2011, 08:49 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:31 PM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:29 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:25 PM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:20 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ]I think quite a few people can verify that Lisa's shift was over at 11pm and that is when Johnny picked her up from work. So the Tiffany phone call was more likely 11:15 - 11:30pm.
i'm pretty positive that Lisa's shift was over at 10
I think you are right. But either way, the phone call records would show who he was on the phone with and what time.
Tiffany says to the 911 dispatcher that she was on the phone with both of them but then Johnny hung up. Does that mean they were passing Lisa's cell phone back and forth talking to Tiffany?
Did anybody else catch this?
yes. i think they were just passing phone back and forth imo
Who knows, even if a call came from Tiffany's phone, HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW IF IT WAS JOHNNY OR LISA THAT WAS ON THE OTHER END? I have wondered about that....
the phone was not Tiff's but her friend the minor Z.. Tiff claimed she was using someone else's phone.
(02-20-2011, 08:56 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.
Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.
Yep
Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??
Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?
Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
(02-20-2011, 09:09 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:56 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.
Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.
Yep
Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??
Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?
Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
that's the part i keep getting stuck on. can't figure it out
(02-20-2011, 09:09 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:56 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.
Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.
Yep
Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??
Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?
Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
I couldn't agree more. If they busted in and saw Johnny was on the phone with someone who actually heard what was going on, as Tiffany said she did, they probably wouldn't have stuck around to ransack anything. Maybe kill quickly, if that.
LC, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS??
(02-20-2011, 07:48 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]As far as the key they found under Lisa. That could have been the house key everybody says they keep in a box outside the door in the garage. Maybe the perps hiding on the side of the garage when JC and LS came home they opened the garage door to pull in and the perps ran in right behind them. Its one of the things cops tell you to beware of when your coming home at night. They could have demanded LS unlock the door that could be why the key was brought into the house and found under her body. Just a theory.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
(02-20-2011, 05:50 PM)kfran Wrote: [ -> ]Shitstorm said: "There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting."
While Tiff & Lisa obviously knew each other, by no means would I consider them "friends" although w/all the "God Bless" that Tiff was pulling out of her ass, you'd think she could've said something about Lisa.
Yup. If I had been as close (and innocent) to the events of that night, and if I had even slightly known Lisa, there is no way that I could look at that picture and not get choked up and remark about the photo. Contrary to what someone else mentioned, I didn't put it there to screw with Tiffany. I was just struck by the up close pic and Lisa's beauty. It was afterwards that I noticed she (Tiff) didn't say a word.
I know this is crazy (Maytee kind of crazy) but Lisa has a look on her face in that pic that feels like she's saying, "You're ass is grass and you
WILL be caught". Were I involved in her demise, and I looked at that photo, I would find that very unsettling.
(02-20-2011, 09:17 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 07:48 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]As far as the key they found under Lisa. That could have been the house key everybody says they keep in a box outside the door in the garage. Maybe the perps hiding on the side of the garage when JC and LS came home they opened the garage door to pull in and the perps ran in right behind them. Its one of the things cops tell you to beware of when your coming home at night. They could have demanded LS unlock the door that could be why the key was brought into the house and found under her body. Just a theory.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
I think that if it was a house key or alarm key, the Straub family would've been able to clear that up quickly.
But if it was a storage unit key, wouldn't the intruders have taken it?
(02-20-2011, 09:09 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:56 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.
Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.
Yep
Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??
Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?
Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
Or that call could be explained as: perp using JCs phone to communicate "its done, first phase is over, now enact phase 2, the coverup. And this call may serve 2 purposes:
..1 to convey the status of the operation and convey important info to move to step 2 based upon what step 1 achieved or it results and coordinate the direction we go from here.
....2 to be used to thow off the investigation by creating a false timeline.
(02-20-2011, 08:50 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ]1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)
2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718
That map they showed sucks 
There's no way to determine if any of the busts were close to persons of interest mentioned here without actual names of streets or atleast zipcodes.
when i read it (it was either yesterday or the day before), i believe the actual addresses were listed.
(02-20-2011, 09:22 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:50 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ]1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)
2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718
That map they showed sucks There's no way to determine if any of the busts were close to persons of interest mentioned here without actual names of streets or atleast zipcodes.
when i read it (it was either yesterday or the day before), i believe the actual addresses were listed.
ohh sorry nevermind. i did read the addresses but it was for "operation dirty boy II" not "operation dirty boy III" which is the most recent bust. my apologies.
(02-20-2011, 09:09 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
They had to have known they were safe, which means Tiffany was part of it. But let's say the perps got in at the same time or shortly after Johnny and Lisa got home, and it was the perps who called Tiffany, not Johnny or Lisa ..... Maybe ZB had told the perps there was a safe and money, and there were some calls back and forth when they couldn't find it.
(02-20-2011, 09:26 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 09:09 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: [ -> ]Im saying that the intruders knew who Johnny was on the phone with. That was part of the plan Tiffany calls to make sure Johnnys there. Other wise the perps woulnt have taken their good ole time doing what they were doing. If they wouldnt have known who was on the other line they would have gotten out of there quick in fear of the cops being called.
They had to have known they were safe, which means Tiffany was part of it. But let's say the perps got in at the same time or shortly after Johnny and Lisa got home, and it was the perps who called Tiffany, not Johnny or Lisa ..... Maybe ZB had told the perps there was a safe and money, and there were some calls back and forth when they couldn't find it.
This is also a possibility but I think Tiffany was on the phone getting them to open the door for the intruders, IMO.
anyone know if anything was moved before cops got there?
as a mother would you put a blanket on someone? just asking!
(02-20-2011, 09:29 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: [ -> ]anyone know if anything was moved before cops got there?
as a mother would you put a blanket on someone? just asking!
They said Johnny's dad ripped open the bags that were over their heads. I was wondering if they might have messed up any evidence too?
(02-20-2011, 09:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:55 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:39 PM)catch22 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: [ -> ]Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.
"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."
http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home
Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."
web address of quote:
http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html
gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......
EXACTLY!! So, if this wasn't misinformation from the reporters, then LE has information that throws off the timeline as we "know" it. Does anyone remember something about one of the LE visits to the house and being able to hear the tv and lights on, and then another visit and the tv and lights were off? If so, maybe they believe the murderes were actually still there????
I know of NO official statement saying that but I do have a post from early in the thread stating just that: I submit it here and its date and time and posters name:
- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM
I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.
Or, is it possible they pulled their car into the garage and closed the garage door? IDK if the garage had any windows where you could see in or not. Raises more questions.
Basically, we are basing everything off of Tiffany's call that supposedly occurred around 11pm. Of course, no one is sure whether or not this phone call actually occurred, and can only be verified through phone records and pings. I'm sure law enforcement has this info, I just wish they would release something!!
(02-20-2011, 09:19 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]Or that call could be explained as: perp using JCs phone to communicate "its done, first phase is over, now enact phase 2, the coverup. And this call may serve 2 purposes:
..1 to convey the status of the operation and convey important info to move to step 2 based upon what step 1 achieved or it results and coordinate the direction we go from here.
....2 to be used to thow off the investigation by creating a false timeline.
Good theories, zero, and possible for sure. I do think the perps were using Johnny's phone, and one of the reasons I think that is because Tiffany seemed to be covering all bases when she spoke to 911, by saying she'd spoken to Johnny and to Lisa. I think she got her story confused due to Maytee accusing her of setting them up, and that's why she said she'd spoken to both.
I have to wonder how compromised the crime scene is being as they were found and things were moved a bit by the father.
(02-20-2011, 09:18 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2011, 05:50 PM)kfran Wrote: [ -> ]Shitstorm said: "There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting."
While Tiff & Lisa obviously knew each other, by no means would I consider them "friends" although w/all the "God Bless" that Tiff was pulling out of her ass, you'd think she could've said something about Lisa.
Yup. If I had been as close (and innocent) to the events of that night, and if I had even slightly known Lisa, there is no way that I could look at that picture and not get choked up and remark about the photo. Contrary to what someone else mentioned, I didn't put it there to screw with Tiffany. I was just struck by the up close pic and Lisa's beauty. It was afterwards that I noticed she (Tiff) didn't say a word.
I know this is crazy (Maytee kind of crazy) but Lisa has a look on her face in that pic that feels like she's saying, "You're ass is grass and you WILL be caught". Were I involved in her demise, and I looked at that photo, I would find that very unsettling.
while i would have expected tiff to say SOMETHING after seeing the picture about lisa if they truly were friends, i think from what we "know" about tiff... expecting tears and the sharing of heartfelt emotions on here is a little much. i'm not making excuses for her but she seems like she's lived a hard life and is probably pretty "numb" to stuff like that. i think she at least thinks she's too badass to go blubbering to a bunch of strangers on a forum.