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I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section...id=7632050

(03-07-2011, 12:53 PM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section...id=7632050

That's from August, but maybe now they only have 1 detective and a gerbil staffed.

It would explain everything.

Didn't I read that the lead detective on this case had already screwed up at least one murder investigation...or doesn't that apply because she was investigating the murder of an inmate?

(03-07-2011, 12:56 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 12:53 PM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section...id=7632050

That's from August, but maybe now they only have 1 detective and a gerbil staffed.

It would explain everything.

Hi Ari....You know how tenacious and resourceful those gerbils can be. Relative of the ferret..... Sherlock

Wonder if she "ate her troubles away" after the Steelers lost.

(03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Wonder if she "ate her troubles away" after the Steelers lost.

She's married.... I see a wedding ring. Wonder if she ate her husband away too Smiley_emoticons_skeptisch

I always thought that Maytee said Johnny was just house sitting or that he would sometimes stay there & sometimes stay with her because of the conditions of his probation being that he wasn't suppose to move anywhere without either permission or atleast informing his probation officer of where he was now living. Not that it would matter if she was honest that he had in fact moved, not like he was going to get in trouble for it after death or anything. I also agree that I do not think it was a professional hit & probably won't change my mind on that.
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I think she said that he was house sitting on the first 911 call b4 she knew he was killed. After that I don't think the housesitting was ever metioned again. I could be wrong though.

(03-07-2011, 11:21 AM)JsMom Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:16 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]And Lisa had a DUI so you can say too that she was a menace to other citizens.

A menace? Seriously?

Unless she was habitually driving drunk, that's probably a bit of an overstatement.

He was saying thats how the cops think!
[/quote]Exactly! It isn't how I think. Everyone makes mistakes, especially young people growing up. I am reluctant to even call it a mistake. Poor judgment is a better term but part (much) of what young people do is they simply grow up and their thought process is just part of the maturation process. And as for DUI there are easy answers--just install one of those gizmos that won't let you start the car until the driver blows.

(03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Wonder if she "ate her troubles away" after the Steelers lost.

I liked your post of the "Titted Nun" better

:B

(03-07-2011, 12:56 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 12:53 PM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section...id=7632050

That's from August, but maybe now they only have 1 detective and a gerbil staffed.

It would explain everything.

It is not just Lucas County. Haven't we already read that TPD is also involved. Not to mention FBI and BCI.

(03-07-2011, 11:27 AM)Adub Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:17 AM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 10:48 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they have any idea who did this either, Trix. If LE had a clue, they wouldn't need a billboard so large you can see it from the moon and in reading the news articles again last night, LE has changed their working thesis at least three times that I can see....yes it was a robbery gone bad. Oh no did we say robbery? We didn't mean it. We think it had something to do with whatever Johnny and Lisa did but hey Toledo, don't worry: the perps are long gone. Hell, they're in NC by now. All we want to do is feed at the public trough.

Hey can I get an oink outta that?

You've listed two theories by LE, neither of which are mutually exclusive. What is the third?

I agree, they are not mutually exclusive at all. And I have not given up on LE. The billboards are great. No arrest, no named suspects, so the billboard does send a message. That LE wants to solve this case. If that Sherrif knows enough to say J&L instigated the crime, then I believe that LE knows a lot. I hated his word, but I don't think it was just pulled out of his ass. The same with calling it a hit. And out of the area could just mean the Straub's neighborhood. I just have to go with DCTim. The DNA is back, we just haave to wait and see.

I continue to keep the families in my thoughts and in my prayers and I believe one day, inevitably, the perps will be caught and justice will be meted out.

(03-07-2011, 11:28 AM)Adub Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:22 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:17 AM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 10:48 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they have any idea who did this either, Trix. If LE had a clue, they wouldn't need a billboard so large you can see it from the moon and in reading the news articles again last night, LE has changed their working thesis at least three times that I can see....yes it was a robbery gone bad. Oh no did we say robbery? We didn't mean it. We think it had something to do with whatever Johnny and Lisa did but hey Toledo, don't worry: the perps are long gone. Hell, they're in NC by now. All we want to do is feed at the public trough.

Hey can I get an oink outta that?

You've listed two theories by LE, neither of which are mutually exclusive. What is the third?
That the killer(s) are out of town and LE doesn't need to worry about it.

I believe he was reassuring the community.

LOL my community isn't reassured to think they've headed out our way.

(03-07-2011, 01:40 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Wonder if she "ate her troubles away" after the Steelers lost.

I liked your post of the "Titted Nun" better

:B

Me too, but I aim to please - - I wasn't sure if there were some in here who liked "plus-plus size" women.

Where's ImaDick?

Dick-head

(03-07-2011, 11:28 AM)JsMom Wrote: [ -> ]HELL I know if it was me in this situation there WOULD be some DNA somewhere because Im biting the fuck outta U, clawin ur ass up, rippin ur hair out, and gouging ur fuckin eyes out! LMAO! IF I CAN! I swear Id do anything if I thought I was going to die anyways to get the KILLER(S) DNA!

I doubt Johnny or Lisa would have been knowledgeable enough about DNA to have thought about ripping enough into the perps for the specific reason of leaving DNA but I do agree with others that as strong as Johnny was, he'd have ripped into them. It's easy to believe those who post about the crime scene being a disaster with blood everywhere. Since it wasn't Johnny's and it wasn't Lisa's, the logical answer is that it would belong to the perps...and Johnny probably grabbed a knife and had a go. And I do not think if a fight ensured between Johnny and one perp with Lisa on the sideline, that only one perp was involved. It would take two or even three to bring Johnny down and if there was only one perp (or even two) and a fistfight broke out, it's hard to believe a gun wouldn't have been fired had one been available at the scene. Of course we don't and can't possibly, know all the intimate details but we're obviously missing a body of knowledge and a body of collective evidence that would make this make sense.

(03-07-2011, 11:29 AM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:22 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:17 AM)esbee Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 10:48 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they have any idea who did this either, Trix. If LE had a clue, they wouldn't need a billboard so large you can see it from the moon and in reading the news articles again last night, LE has changed their working thesis at least three times that I can see....yes it was a robbery gone bad. Oh no did we say robbery? We didn't mean it. We think it had something to do with whatever Johnny and Lisa did but hey Toledo, don't worry: the perps are long gone. Hell, they're in NC by now. All we want to do is feed at the public trough.

Hey can I get an oink outta that?

You've listed two theories by LE, neither of which are mutually exclusive. What is the third?
That the killer(s) are out of town and LE doesn't need to worry about it.

Again, not mutually exclusive. And where did LE say they didn't have to worry about it?

They reassured the community that the killer was gone. Reassured to me implies that the community does not need to worry about it. And if the community does not need to worry about it, do you think for an instant the cops are worrying about it?

I DO think the wires were cut and the papers were out because JC and LS became aware of its malfunction and were trying to figure out a remedy. If you dont pay a monthly monitoring fee the company will not immediately notify the police that there was a disturbance (wires cut) but the home owner will be made aware of the problem on the "dial pad" by the door. That pad is where you arm and disarm your system and it will display "COMM ERROR" if the system isn't able to reach outside the home.

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zero, thats fucking brilliant. I'm pissed I didn't think of that. that makes the most sense. the security co may have even called after the cut, lisa gave the password, said parents out of town etc. and there was no problem. security co. had lisa over the phone try to fix the system, manual out, and then maybe said will "have someone out on first business day (monday) to fix it etc." I'm just guessing, but yea, zero your idea I think may be spot on. I know someone where the panel even makes little beep noise every few minutes when there is a comm error. That would be enough to drive someone bonkers.

(03-07-2011, 11:33 AM)notsure Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:19 AM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 10:07 AM)Jane Wrote: [ -> ]I think the injuries to their necks were from the duct tape wrapped tightly around the bags. As in extemely tight. Maybe even ended up being tied in a tight knot.

My understanding from the family is that the injuries to the neck were most likely the result of very tight tape around the neck and the thrashing about of the victim while they were putting the tape on.

Then there had to be more than one perp. Lets just say that is a fact! one with the tape, and at least one more (probably a few more) to hold the person down, and a few to hold the other one also.

Three perps would not surprise me at all. It's just so hard to conceive there was only one perp. Possible, yes. Probable, no, at least not in my humble opinion. Johnny would have made short work of one. We are led to believe a fight broke out and that Johnny knifed one of the perps. I just think if there is any accuracy to that line of thinking and reasoning, Johnny would have gained the upper hand.

(03-07-2011, 11:37 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 02:48 AM)van64 Wrote: [ -> ]

maytee lied, why? johnny did live there, lisas uncle even said he did. that is why he told media johnny lived there. he outed maytee. the one who has answers is maytee. she know what her son was into and probably knows people he dealt with. now i too agree, maytee know more. hell, she has too. i think he got a stash and people knew so they stole it. but why kill them. hate? god i pray this case is solve. and if i lived in toledo i would still be nervous and locking doors and checking locks. i will never believe this was a professional hit. never.

[color=#FFD700]Well once the perp(s) are caught, we will be able to see just how professional the 'hit' was or wasn't. I tend to agree with you that it was not professional and yes, were I a resident of Toledo, I'd be locking everything and looking over my shoulder. Innocent people (people who have never been convicted of a crime) do get caught in crossfires.

(03-07-2011, 11:37 AM)JsMom Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-07-2011, 11:31 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]We Are Supposed to all be treated EQUAL no matter our problems (mentally ill, druggie, prostitute, etc etc.) are!

Please tell me you're not really that naive.

Naive~ would be for someone to think that it was OK for someone to get murdered because they were a prostitute/druggie! ITS NOT OK! Signs_173

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It is NOT okay to be murdered or assaulted because of one's lifestyle or one's past history. The assailant I was referencing earlier, who preyed on prostitutes, was suspected of being involved in the disappearance of a cashier in a nearby mall. Her body was found a few weeks after she went missing and witnesses report seeing a truck owned and driven by the assailant nearby where the cashier was walking after attending a club downtown in a sleepy, small Southern city. The prostitutes he preyed on refused to go to LE because of their occupations and those who went were given the general run-around and belittled. It moved me to read their accounts but the perp would stop and pick them up and then beat them; knife them and in a case or two, throw them out and leave them for dead.

I may be naive too but I do know that these prostitutes (and myself) pay LE's salary and again, LE here feeds at the public trough second to none who are on the public payroll. So I'll pose this question to you--if LE refuses to follow up on crimes such as these against people who happen to be prostitutes, WHY DO WE NEED LE?

The only way to end run LE's game is to have a civil authority who reviews their decisions in cases and where the ball has been dropped, LE personnel are fired, demoted or charged. It happens in all other occupations. What sets LE apart?

I tell you this--if I ran my department when I worked as a public employee, like local LE here has handled some cases, I would have been released from my job within two or three years. The public would have demanded more from me and they would have been right to do so. Physicians who practice medicine in the same vein that LE does their job, would be sued and paid out for malpractice.

Why do we and why should we hold LE to different standards that are LESS? These people work ON OUR DIME.

(03-07-2011, 11:52 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
I just overheard a 300 pound woman explain that she adds Velveeta to everything. Sometimes correlation IS causation.

I have heard about that Velveeta diet.

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