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Sorry meant to reply to jash's post # 3592 . New here and learning the ropes . Very good post Jash .

(02-17-2011, 09:29 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]

It always get so quiet after I post. Are you wary of me? Don't be.

I always keep a close eye on you. You don't fool me! I've heard all about you quiet types.

(02-17-2011, 05:05 PM)DickTracy Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 04:40 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]if anyone knows the DOB of Johnny's father, i MAY have his jacket. (police record). DOB is only thing holding me up from posting. BUT nobody thinks he has anything to do with it other than being a principal, he found the bodies. he has my sympathy on his terrible loss as do all the parents and family members.
but i like a complete record. Maytee's has been posted here.

I do believe Johnny's dad is 42.
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRB-88-10302-0101 CLARKE, JOHN PETE 07/16/1969 CRIMINAL TRESPASS

you are 100% certain that is Johnny's father? if so, how? i'm just trying to keep it accurate.

In regards to the dad, the window, and basement...

First, in regards to the window, I wonder if LE confirmed that the bodies could be seen from the window based on his claims? Perhaps that was how the perps entered the house, unlocking it during a previous visit to the home...and it makes for a good cover if worried fingerprints lifted from the window might match yours.

Secondly, per Maytee's call to 911 stating something to the effect of seeing the bodies in the basement...does the home even have a basement and if so, does it have a window?

And lastly, where did LE find the puppy...in a cage, locked in a room, hiding? If it's a puppy, typically the first thing you do when you get home is let it out to go potty, were there dog prints in the snow and where do they let it out from the front, back, through the garage?

(02-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Unknown Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly. You all act like she got on here an said something different then what she told LE. Her story hasn't changed. why would it. shes not going to confess on an online forum. This is a lie right here "if i knew who did this yes i would tell the police." That's coming from a "DOWN ASS BITCH WHO RIDES FOR HER NIGAS AND BITCHES." Her boyfriends hates snitches. I mean utterly hates snitches. I've show personal proof of her boyfriend having a Tattoo on his forearm that says STOP SNITCHING and shirts and other clothing that says snitches need to hang and we'll cut your fucking throat. Yes these are the type of people she hangs out with. What you saw on here was proper Tiffany, but she has a whole other side to her which you know nothing about. Notice she wont go into questions about her own life? She wont answer anything about drugs. And she states " ...come on its all rumors what they saying about me. so that should tell you something." I can guarantee you what I have said on here personally has not been rumors. She say "it is true they used the garage door to get in the house" no one knows how they entered or exited through the house. She states "no i was not going alone another one of are friends was going also. Another one of her friends was going also? which indicates 2 people were going with her over to LS. She states johnny said " bro who are you" then she said he said he kept sayn "bro wut r u doin" which one is it?

*Finds it to be just hilarious that her boyfriend was sitting at home doing a paper for school. Maybe we wants to upgrade to blue collar crimes.

I want to know even though it wont get answered is, In the past month was she doing Percocets with JC & LS? The first night she & ZB went over to LS house were they doing Percocets then? Did JC call you or ZB the day of the murders looking for Percocets? Did they call you or ZB any other time that day? If yes what did you talk about? Did LS Show you around the house? When you went to the house the first time how did you enter? Did you know of the spare key to enter the garage door on the side of the garage? When was the last time you went to bed bath and beyond? do you know anyone who works in home improvement or anything to do with duct work? Do you know of anyone capable of committing a crime like this? Was LS flirting with ZB the first night or the opposite?

My guess is that if Tiffany was not involved, but knew who did it, and she snitched, she'd be the next person with a plastic bag over her head. You're a member of a gang - you don't rat out the family. Of course, when faced with 30 years in prison, many of them do roll over. We shall see .....

(02-17-2011, 05:15 PM)curious Wrote: [ -> ]In regards to the dad, the window, and basement...

First, in regards to the window, I wonder if LE confirmed that the bodies could be seen from the window based on his claims? Perhaps that was how the perps entered the house, unlocking it during a previous visit to the home...and it makes for a good cover if worried fingerprints lifted from the window might match yours.

Secondly, per Maytee's call to 911 stating something to the effect of seeing the bodies in the basement...does the home even have a basement and if so, does it have a window?

And lastly, where did LE find the puppy...in a cage, locked in a room, hiding? If it's a puppy, typically the first thing you do when you get home is let it out to go potty, were there dog prints in the snow and where do they let it out from the front, back, through the garage?

----- Oh and did it bark at anytime when TW or LE knocked on the door?

EastCoastKat - many thanks for that transcription!

(02-17-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] i never in a million years thought maytee had any active involvement in her son's death. she's welcome here as well.

Well, you're the pro, but I wouldn't rule her out, either. I wouldn't trust any of this bunch any further than I could throw them.

i will eat my combat boots if Maytee actively plotted the death of her 'baby boy'. i would be genuinely shocked, and it takes a lot to shock me.

Did Tiff actually say she saw tied up bodies?

(02-17-2011, 10:32 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like that some folks, after having an opportunity to get responses from one of the alleged "cast" of this tradegy, redemption came quickly and without hesitation for this "character"

So much for priors, bastard children, multiple baby-daddy, custody, ghetto talk, menial employment and thug friends.

Behold!

A pregnant, young, brave, honest and decent single mom who is just trying to get by in this tough ol' world and mourn the loss of two friends.

People are a funny and fickle lot.

Just ask a Public Relations Director.

lol @ Behold!


You're a funny one

Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

puleeeze everyone...separate your posts from the post you are quoting. :B


post 3 here:
http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

(02-17-2011, 04:57 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)fabulous Wrote: [ -> ]I"m sure I'll be coming off as bitchy and judgemental...but COME ON!!!
people really think that TW logged on last night and answered questions truthfully ?????
she's a major player/suspect in a double homicide/robbery/ DEATH PENALTY case here in Lucas county and you think she's gonna just randomly pop on our forum and start fielding questions by complete strangers?
she is hardcore. her people are hardcore. tthey're criminals. She doesn't have custody of her kids!!!! the facts that we do know speak for themselves!
I'm not buying it!!!
all of the sudden last night she was like blah blah blah "thank you and God Bless you"...OMG COME ON?
she called her friend "minor friend"...hahaha that made me laugh.
her story might "match up" but it's still SHADY.

Shady McShady in my mind and I don't buy half of what she was saying...and I don't even know if I believe that it was her last night posting here...

^^THIS

Tiffany answered some questions. It was the same information that's been discussed from day one. She's certainly savvy enough to get a simple STORY straight and she did that. She was pretty consistent but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure LC has experience that would bear this out.

Tiffany was one of the last known people to have contact with two murdered people. Don't forget that. NOTHING that she said here eliminates her as being a suspect. NOTHING.

I understand that good people want to believe in the goodness of others. I saw it here, last night, with the "sweetheart" this and the "honey" that, and even suggesting that Tiffany write a book and go on speaking tour to help young women. Uh, WAKE THE FUCK UP, already. Did you forget the FB & MySpace pages? The murdered ex who robbed the guy that eventually retaliated and removed him from the gene pool? The three kids with another on the way being around such an environment? How about little kids flashing gang signs? And, all those down ass bytches or whatever the fuck they are. And those wads of cash being flashed around.

People this easily convinced would never stand a chance with the really charming and smart psychos like Bundy. I remember the mother of one of his victims who said that Ted was the guy you always wanted your daughter to bring home. I suggest you crime buffs read up on SOCIOPATHS. Charm and being good liars are their stock in trade.

Now, none of my observations make Tiffany guilty in this case. It remains to be seen as the investigation unfolds. She's guilty of other shit, but not necessarily of involvement in these murders. I sure as hell would not rule her out, though.

NO, she wasn't even consistent, on the 911 call she says she called JC right back and texted LS, on the board here she says she waited a hour didn't call them because JC said he would call her in an hour... why wouldn't she mention that to the 911 operator, oh he said he would call me in an hour so I didn't bother checking or calling anyone, NOPE she never says that once, infact she supposedly was worried right away calling him right back and texting LS,how on earth are these 2 statements consistent? You got me??? She is a manipulator. Drug addicts and cons know how to do it the best and playing stupid is probably on of her biggest ruses. Or saying things to certain people. Version #1 I called Johnny right back and texted LS. Or Version#2 Oh I waited an hour cause JC said to wait an hour.They know every trick in the book, at the risk of repeating myself, just ask people who deal with them, parents, lovers, kids, employers, parole officer, doctors that they get to write them prescriptions. I would believe that maybe all that tough nigga/bytch talk on her FB site was just stupid stuff, IF, if it didnt' have the rapsheet and the dead ex to go along with it. She knows way more and even who was involved in this and I agree Sociopaths are charming when they want something that is!!

(02-17-2011, 03:48 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Unknown Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly. You all act like she got on here an said something different then what she told LE. Her story hasn't changed. why would it. shes not going to confess on an online forum. This is a lie right here "if i knew who did this yes i would tell the police." That's coming from a "DOWN ASS BITCH WHO RIDES FOR HER NIGAS AND BITCHES." Her boyfriends hates snitches. I mean utterly hates snitches. I've show personal proof of her boyfriend having a Tattoo on his forearm that says STOP SNITCHING and shirts and other clothing that says snitches need to hang and we'll cut your fucking throat. Yes these are the type of people she hangs out with. What you saw on here was proper Tiffany, but she has a whole other side to her which you know nothing about. Notice she wont go into questions about her own life? She wont answer anything about drugs. And she states " ...come on its all rumors what they saying about me. so that should tell you something." I can guarantee you what I have said on here personally has not been rumors. She say "it is true they used the garage door to get in the house" no one knows how they entered or exited through the house. She states "no i was not going alone another one of are friends was going also. Another one of her friends was going also? which indicates 2 people were going with her over to LS. She states johnny said " bro who are you" then she said he said he kept sayn "bro wut r u doin" which one is it?

*Finds it to be just hilarious that her boyfriend was sitting at home doing a paper for school. Maybe we wants to upgrade to blue collar crimes.

I want to know even though it wont get answered is, In the past month was she doing Percocets with JC & LS? The first night she & ZB went over to LS house were they doing Percocets then? Did JC call you or ZB the day of the murders looking for Percocets? Did they call you or ZB any other time that day? If yes what did you talk about? Did LS Show you around the house? When you went to the house the first time how did you enter? Did you know of the spare key to enter the garage door on the side of the garage? When was the last time you went to bed bath and beyond? do you know anyone who works in home improvement or anything to do with duct work? Do you know of anyone capable of committing a crime like this? Was LS flirting with ZB the first night or the opposite?

I agree these are very important points to be pursued.

Last night, I may have offended by asking that the Q & A with Tiffany not be interrupted by accusations, but that was not intended as an endorsement of her credibility.

I know more than a bit about direct and cross examination and it is important to first always give the witness or interviewee the opportunity to answer all questions posed in a non-accusatory manner, covering all aspects, before any confrontational remarks or questions. Otherwise, it is just a lesson in how to fix your story.

We are also at a disadvantage here because we are unable to observe the demeanor of the person during Q & A.

I did get the feeling that this was really Tiffany from the way she answered the questions and knew details of the events; but I had a hard time reconciling her remarkable command of the English language with the way she talks on her Facebook page. It is even possible, although not probable, that this could have been a combination of the real Tiffany sitting and providing response in street talk to another person composing it into understandable English, fixing details that didn't fit, and typing out responses that looked good and sounded convincing.

We don't know. I hope that is not true. I hope that Tiffany is willing to come back and continue the conversation and now be willing to respond to more challenging questions as suggested above by Unknown and others.

I personally appreciated your post yesterday. I was more afraid that she might get scared off or pissed and we would never hear from her again. So I was not at all offended. I like your idea that perhaps someone else may have done the typing. Her sudden command of the English language was also puzzling to me.

Where exactly where were the bodies found? AND when the father kicked the door in…who was present? Everyone thinks TIFFANY has all the answers, I honestly think that the father would have more answers then TIFFANY. The father was at the house actually from 1 am to 4 pm? Am I correct? Did he leave at all during this time? I think she is actually a small piece to the puzzle.

Quote:if anyone knows the DOB of Johnny's father, i MAY have his jacket. (police record). DOB is only thing holding me up from posting. BUT nobody thinks he has anything to do with it other than being a principal, he found the bodies. he has my sympathy on his terrible loss as do all the parents and family members.
but i like a complete record. Maytee's has been posted here[/quote

[quote]]you are 100% certain that is Johnny's father? if so, how? i'm just trying to keep it accurate

I thought that was already posted LC? Remember, I told you if you take the DV charge date off of Maytee's record, it links up to the exact corresponding date on the dads record too. That would be proof enough for me that that is Johnnys dad. Maytee and him both have a DV charge for the exact same date.

(02-17-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] i never in a million years thought maytee had any active involvement in her son's death. she's welcome here as well.

Well, you're the pro, but I wouldn't rule her out, either. I wouldn't trust any of this bunch any further than I could throw them.

@shitstorm... totally agree with you. I think Maytee has knowledge/involvement here.

(02-17-2011, 05:08 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 05:05 PM)DickTracy Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2011, 04:40 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]if anyone knows the DOB of Johnny's father, i MAY have his jacket. (police record). DOB is only thing holding me up from posting. BUT nobody thinks he has anything to do with it other than being a principal, he found the bodies. he has my sympathy on his terrible loss as do all the parents and family members.
but i like a complete record. Maytee's has been posted here.

I do believe Johnny's dad is 42.
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRB-88-10302-0101 CLARKE, JOHN PETE 07/16/1969 CRIMINAL TRESPASS

you are 100% certain that is Johnny's father? if so, how? i'm just trying to keep it accurate.

I completely understand!
Allow me to correct myself, John P. Clarke will be 42 this year. My nephew who knows the family(Clarke) specifically told me that John's birthday is in July. (Was speaking on the phone with him when you posted, so I asked him) As well as from the research I have done I can guarantee I'm 100% accurate that John P Clarke's DOB is 07/16/1969

(02-17-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

I thought that same exact thing when she said, "I was calling, and it was ringing, then it suddenly stopped."