I saw that too. There's also a comment on a friends status (her name is Teresa, she's not a minor because the status is about her 22nd birthday) in which Tiffany comments "ay i aint even gonna b able 2 go...2 much shyt goin on". Teresa then replies saying, " yea i kno tiff itz coo i aint mad but it aint guna b tha same witout ya". Tiffany then responds with" i kno im sorry jus tryna stay out da way..." Then again THIS IS JUST FACEBOOK and not to be either taken seriously or in any way of having to do with the deaths. It could just be her possibly wanting to stay out of the way of people that may be at the party. either way, I found it interesting.
And now that I think about it, I highly doubt this girl is dumb enough to post anything related to this entire situation on FB.
are we sure this is the right Tiffany? (just to clarify)
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And did you notice on that one pic of Teresa's, there's (what appears to be) a pack of ZigZags on the table in front of her? LOL! Classy!
Deciphering those FB posts is giving me a headache. Jeezus!
ok, so was the mother interviewed on Jane V Mitchell, or Nancy Grace, tonight?
Mom stated that she and her husband stayed at Lisa's residence after the second police visit.....which is when she had her husband prop someone up.
Jane Valez Mitchell for sure. I have it copied. Did not copy Nancy Grace.
Mom could have been on both.
(02-08-2011, 12:30 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ]I taped the mom on Jane Valez Mitchell, which will rerun at 4 10 am.
This is a totally amazing interview by Jane.
The mother says she (mother) knew how to get into the house
"i watched them take the key in and out of a box (to open the house)
Exact quotes:
"Johnny was in barber school."
"Whoever did this was trying to make a statement of some sort."
"Lisa had a very jealous x boyfriend."
"Lisa's boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out a couple months
ago." (Yet she refused to speak of her son's prison record.
"My son had no enemies. Lisa would have more connected to this than my son would. Someone knew her and knew how to get into the house."
(Remember, she had earlier said that she had watched them use the key
on many occasions. Why was she at Lisa's house?"
"The girl met us out there." (The telephone girl.)
"The second time I went out there..." (Mom had been at the house twice.)
One real real freaky thing was the photos shown on the page were ALL
of MOM and SON. P
Johnny's mother knew how to get into Lisa's house ? .. I've got to see this interview!
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And did you notice on that one pic of Teresa's, there's (what appears to be) a pack of ZigZags on the table in front of her? LOL! Classy!
Deciphering those FB posts is giving me a headache. Jeezus!
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I did!! LOL Gotta love it. I cannot tell you how proud I am to be a Toledoen right now, particularly from that side of town.
(02-08-2011, 12:09 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Methusala....your deductive reasoning has made this thread very interesting. Do you think robbery and greed the motive or a vendetta against JC was the objective? With the fake robbery a way to get him? We see the results but what do think the original plans were for JC? Was he duped?
Sorry for the delay in replying. It takes me a long time to get back to my earlier posts because for some reason neither the "My Posts" button nor the Search button is working for me. But I found the one you are easking about and here is a partial quote which I think responds to your inquiries:
Quote: My impression thus far is that a faked robbery was set up with Johnny and his friends in on it and the "who are you; what are you doing here?" exchange on the phone with a friend was arranged and part of the setup to rob the home of Lisa's parents while they were on their cruise; the "robbers" entered with no guns and their was a scuffle with a knife and the couple were overpowered secured with the duct tape; the bag was placed over Johnny's head to compel Lisa to disclose where all her parents valuables were, including the big safe, and how to access them. Lisa either didn't know or resisted until it was too late and Johnny accidentally expired; which caused the robbers to panic and put a bag over her head to intentionally kill her as she could otherwise identify them; and they had no guns. The expectation was that Lisa would tell all about her parents valuables quickly upon seeing the bag secured over her boyfriends head and his struggles to breathe.
(02-08-2011, 12:35 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ]Jane Valez Mitchell for sure. I have it copied. Did not copy Nancy Grace.
Mom could have been on both.
aah, ok...JVM doesn't come back on till really, really, late...right? Hell, I can look it up, lol. Thanks for the heads-up on this. I was confused
Post: #752RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
Thanks Methusala....your deductive reasoning has made this thread very interesting. Do you think robbery and greed the motive or a vendetta against JC was the objective? With the fake robbery a way to get him? We see the results but what do think the original plans were for JC? Was he duped?
Possibilty is that Johnny helped set it up (I am not quite there-I want to believe he loved her and would never put her in danger-I still think it was his friends/enemies not him that set it up) I think he bragged about the parents being out of town to the wrong people and he was living it up/partying at his girlfriend's to him rich parents home living the good life-bragging-they had money and it got the wrong people or they were looking for drugs and cash-esp if some of these murderers were recently there at a party. If he was involved, it could have supposed to been an easy entry where they were tied up and robbed by masked intruders and if drugs were there, he would convince her to let it go-robbers wearing masks so she would not know it was people they knew, but she she was not in on it and she fought back, possibly ripped a mask off, unmasked someone and that was end game-she could tell who they were or given a description.That is when she could have been hurt in the head and the robbers realized they had to get rid of her and Johnny as well because he would never let them kill her. If they let her live, they were done so they had to kill both?
(02-08-2011, 12:31 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: [ -> ]I saw that too. There's also a comment on a friends status (her name is Teresa, she's not a minor because the status is about her 22nd birthday) in which Tiffany comments "ay i aint even gonna b able 2 go...2 much shyt goin on". Teresa then replies saying, " yea i kno tiff itz coo i aint mad but it aint guna b tha same witout ya". Tiffany then responds with" i kno im sorry jus tryna stay out da way..." Then again THIS IS JUST FACEBOOK and not to be either taken seriously or in any way of having to do with the deaths. It could just be her possibly wanting to stay out of the way of people that may be at the party. either way, I found it interesting.
And now that I think about it, I highly doubt this girl is dumb enough to post anything related to this entire situation on FB.
are we sure this is the right Tiffany? (just to clarify)
Quote:And did you notice on that one pic of Teresa's, there's (what appears to be) a pack of ZigZags on the table in front of her? LOL! Classy!
Deciphering those FB posts is giving me a headache. Jeezus!
I gave up on all the FB posts last night
Who is Teresa?
nevermind! I see who it is now
(02-08-2011, 12:38 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2011, 12:09 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Methusala....your deductive reasoning has made this thread very interesting. Do you think robbery and greed the motive or a vendetta against JC was the objective? With the fake robbery a way to get him? We see the results but what do think the original plans were for JC? Was he duped?
Sorry for the delay in replying. It takes me a long time to get back to my earlier posts because for some reason neither the "My Posts" button nor the Search button is working for me. But I found the one you are easking about and here is a partial quote which I think responds to your inquiries:
Quote: My impression thus far is that a faked robbery was set up with Johnny and his friends in on it and the "who are you; what are you doing here?" exchange on the phone with a friend was arranged and part of the setup to rob the home of Lisa's parents while they were on their cruise; the "robbers" entered with no guns and their was a scuffle with a knife and the couple were overpowered secured with the duct tape; the bag was placed over Johnny's head to compel Lisa to disclose where all her parents valuables were, including the big safe, and how to access them. Lisa either didn't know or resisted until it was too late and Johnny accidentally expired; which caused the robbers to panic and put a bag over her head to intentionally kill her as she could otherwise identify them; and they had no guns. The expectation was that Lisa would tell all about her parents valuables quickly upon seeing the bag secured over her boyfriends head and his struggles to breathe.
I'll be blown away, if this is what happened!
I know Lisa's extended family and they are not the type that need a benefit in the form of a drunkfest with live music in order to grieve. They are grieving privately and will continue to do so at her private funeral service. They are nowhere near the classless level of Johnny's "friends" who are self-serving, begging for money and accepting credit cards for expenses.
(02-08-2011, 12:42 AM)Jane Wrote: [ -> ][quote='RJs-Ex' pid='124897' dateline='1297139519']
are we sure this is the right Tiffany? (just to clarify)
Well, she lists Lisa Straub as one of her FB friends.
pretty sure they need help, not to many parents have money saved for just in case, I dont and I have 5 kids, I can see where they might need help, the mother has no job and the dad most likely dont make much, live close to them and honestly getting 5 to 10 thousand is alot when you have little
(02-07-2011, 04:23 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of sad, but I'm thinking JC's mom may come forward with info and try and collect the reward!
I don't know if she will, but I have to say, it wouldn't shock me.
(02-08-2011, 12:28 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2011, 12:10 AM)penalt Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2011, 11:47 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like Johnny has solid friends willing to help HIS family.
Lisa . . . not so much.
Tucson . . . "Shot Nite"
that's the biggest line of bs I've read in this whole thread.
Forgive me. This is Mock. It was sarcasm.
I figured "Tucson" and "Shot Nite" would tip you off.
Now . . . please offer an instance of friends rallying around Lisa.
C'mon . . . over 700 posts and this is the biggest line of BS?
Johnny's gettin' a DJ . . . does she even have a candle?
sorry for jumping you blue.....it just amazes me how people try to make this kid out to be something he's not, sounds to me like he's been in trouble with the law for years and was hanging out with people that are on the wrong side of the law.
(02-08-2011, 12:56 AM)Followingalong Wrote: [ -> ]I know Lisa's extended family and they are not the type that need a benefit in the form of a drunkfest with live music in order to grieve. They are grieving privately and will continue to do so at her private funeral service. They are nowhere near the classless level of Johnny's "friends" who are self-serving, begging for money and accepting credit cards for expenses.
I'm glad you posted this. I can actually understand it being done, a year from now, maybe, to celebrate his life, etc... But he just died a horrific death a week ago.
(02-08-2011, 12:56 AM)Followingalong Wrote: [ -> ]I know Lisa's extended family and they are not the type that need a benefit in the form of a drunkfest with live music in order to grieve. They are grieving privately and will continue to do so at her private funeral service. They are nowhere near the classless level of Johnny's "friends" who are self-serving, begging for money and accepting credit cards for expenses.
And her friends . . . do they grieve silently, too?
My God, Toledo! Where is an outward display of empathy and remembrance to be found?
We fly flags to honor those who served and those serving.
We wear pink to honor loved ones and strangers battling breast cancer.
We organize food drives to feed the hungry.
We walk for Alzheimers and Juvenile Diabetes.
What does Toledo do when they are robbed of two young adults?
What do you do for each other?
(02-08-2011, 01:00 AM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: [ -> ]pretty sure they need help, not to many parents have money saved for just in case, I dont and I have 5 kids, I can see where they might need help, the mother has no job and the dad most likely dont make much, live close to them and honestly getting 5 to 10 thousand is alot when you have little
I'm guessing folks who donate, will do so, directly to the funeral home.
[quote='Wish.I.was.a.P.I' pid='124892' dateline='1297138730']
Newbie here although I don't feel new to this forum since I've been reading about this case on here for days and days. It's hard for me to even go to work knowing I won't be able to read new information.
I had to finally post because I had read the same friends post that RJ's just talked about..also found it interesting. I had also found one post of a friend of Lisa's that spoke with her what seems to be before she left work. As I have been creeping around T's page/friends, I was very surprised to see how many friends she had that have either died or friends of friends that have died. Being that young and knowing so many other young people that have died leads me to believe that most of the people she associates with are not upstanding citizens. I have so many questions that all of you have answered and so many that are still unanswered but I have really enjoyed all of your knowledge.
I have a 20 yr old daughter and a 18 yr old son and I can't imagine what these families are going through but do much stuff just doesnt add up to me. At one point I was going with amateurs doing this, then thought it was too well thought out and I am still confused. I do know one thing, if my son or daughter's friend thought that either one of them were in trouble, they'd call their own mom or friends before calling me and I don't know that any of them would just come to my house and pick up my husband and I definately wouldn't assume that the person that obviously feels comfortable enough to pick my husband up would have set my child up. There is somthing that just seems off balance about all that...JMO.
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has any one else noticed one picture of lisa, she is wearing a cremation barrel necklace. wonder whos ashes they are. or maybe she kept some thing else in it? it is cremation jewelry. my son has one just like it that has the ashes of his still born daughter. any one else notice it?