(02-09-2011, 09:12 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]To fabulous,
For the rcord could you please elaborate on the part of you statement claiming the Lucas county is a crook? Is he defending himself against some acusations or charges? Or can you correct yourself by saying just "Our Sheriff, I don't like him". Is that possibly more accurate?
I think what the poster was referring to was the death several years ago of an inmate in the Lucas County jail that was determined to be from asphyxiation brought on by a sleeper hold administered by several sheriff's deputies. The sheriff was tried for covering up the inmate's death and was acquitted this past December. So technically, not convicted of a felony but he is definitely not thought of as a great leader locally. See
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20101...2/12060345
He's been the Sheriff for decades, and I think there have been past accusations of cronyism, but maybe the original poster has more insight into that.
(02-09-2011, 09:12 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]To fabulous,
For the rcord could you please elaborate on the part of you statement claiming the Lucas county is a crook? Is he defending himself against some acusations or charges? Or can you correct yourself by saying just "Our Sheriff, I don't like him". Is that possibly more accurate?
I think the sheriff is a crook is MY WORDS. He was recently found not guilty in covering up an inmates death here at the jail...but several deputies were found guilty of various things. Under his command there have been several mishaps at the jail. sorry I can't be more specific. google it. I'm trying to respond and put my kiddos to bed at the same time. sorry.
Sorry to be so lengthy, lol.
My thoughts on what could have happened-
see recent posts. T was def involved and set them up. I think it was supposed to be just a robbery and something goes wrong. Either they are masked and someone recognizes a voice or Lisa struggles and pulls off a mask (another reason why she could have head injuries-hit as she struggled) the game is up-they can be identified. IF they planned a home invasion with Johnny and Lisa there to steal the drugs and $ only and disguised, that plan is over when they are recognized and they realize they cannot leave witnesses.
They no longer have any interest in stealing computers, jewels, etc in the home because those items will be traced to them. Instead they steal the drugs and all cash. Now what to do with Lisa and Johnny, the witnesses?? Lisa could freak and turn them in. Johnny could cut a deal to avoid going back to prison. So in their eyes they have to murder them.
They could have possibly brought duct tape if they planned to rob while L & J were in the house and just keep them subdued. I do not think they went there to kill at all but something definitely went wrong during the crime. They expected an easy thing. These were maybe young dopers and druggies looking for an easy score but not murderers until now. I hope LE has dusted all knives and other possible potentional murder weapons in the house esp the kitchen. Maybe they tried to get up the nerve to stab them with knives and picked one or more items up and just could not do it, or fought over who would have to do it violently-could not agree, and instead they used the duct tape and bags to kill their victims-not as messy if using a knife easily available. It's also why I thing this crime was personal and not professional-neither way of death would be easy but if you could kill them in a manner where you would not have to look at them as they died or had blood on you literally, it may be easier in the killers' minds if they have never killed before or did not expect to kill that night. I definitely think this was more of an amateur crime scene and there WILL be arrests. Proud of the LE there for keeping things so quiet and not many leaks so far-they care about this case/keeping it close to the vest and want to solve it and will do so in my belief.
People are in strong belief that this murder happened and the murder(s) got away with just $40. I don't think this is true. I think they got away with a drug stash and a big cash stash Johnny carried IF he was truly involved in drugs. Possibly even more if the family kept large amounts of cash in the house-expect we arm chair detectives do not know the half of this story yet...lots being kept quiet until they can nail these monsters...
(02-09-2011, 09:28 PM)brett_ashley Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 09:12 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]To fabulous,
For the rcord could you please elaborate on the part of you statement claiming the Lucas county is a crook? Is he defending himself against some acusations or charges? Or can you correct yourself by saying just "Our Sheriff, I don't like him". Is that possibly more accurate?
I think what the poster was referring to was the death several years ago of an inmate in the Lucas County jail that was determined to be from asphyxiation brought on by a sleeper hold administered by several sheriff's deputies. The sheriff was tried for covering up the inmate's death and was acquitted this past December. So technically, not convicted of a felony but he is definitely not thought of as a great leader locally. See http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20101...2/12060345
He's been the Sheriff for decades, and I think there have been past accusations of cronyism, but maybe the original poster has more insight into that.
thank you! I couldn't have said it better!
http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=578820
Straub and Clarke both died of asphyxiation and are thought to have been killed some time between 1:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m.
I wonder if they have that right. So J&L may have been alive at the time of Sherita's first call to J's mother?
(02-09-2011, 09:10 PM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ]Wow great board-checking back in after finding it a few days ago.
My speculations only:
Very well thought out and explained!
In short, you too are considering the possibility that Johnny was in on it until things went terribly wrong.
(02-09-2011, 08:49 PM)fabulous Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 07:21 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ]LadyCop,
Can you give us some idea of the scope, staffing and resources of the Detective Bureau of the Lucas County Sheriff's Office; and how does it compare with the Toledo Police Dept's Detective Bureau in size, scope, experience and training?
I'm not sure that the sheriff deputies are all that experienced in this type of crime...which is why the FBI got involved (or so I heard). our sheriff deputies here in lucas county mostly keep watch over the housing projects and the jail... in no way do I want to sound demeaning to them... they also patrol the country roads which are in lucas county and outside of toledo city limits... I don't believe that their detective bureau is as experienced or as big as TPD....
This is the part that is worrying me greatly.
(02-09-2011, 04:11 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:04 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 12:39 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:40 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]
her latest:
RIP Johnny My sweet love my sweet angel my life come sleep with me n dream with momma tonite i love u n lil brothers u are forever loved n missed n im forever heartbroken ;,,,,,,(
5 hours ago via iPhone ·
Maytee believes she has some kind of psychic powers. There are people who claim to be former "clients" of hers who have successfully "used her" in some sort of way, perhaps as a medium, so this kind of talk is probably nothing new for her.
There are still people who believe in the ability to summon spirits of the dead.
Yup. I've been thinking the same. Dunno if you saw those links where I found her "liking" the FB of some self described witch.
Are you saying that "come sleep with me" is a metaphor for
"visit me in my dreams?" Why not just say that?
It's just a guess. YMMV. Why she phrases anything the way she does I have no idea. One thing we know, for certain, is that there is no way the physical Johnny will be sleeping with her. So, it sounded like she was speaking about dream time/astral world/spirit world, to me.
It's really very sad. She wouldn't be the first person desperate to commune with the dead. John Edwards (not the former senator) comes to mind.
One last thing before I turn in:
Some people have expressed disappointment/fear that since a 5k reward has been issued within a week or so of the crime, the case is going cold and they have no leads so that is why a reward is being offered. The case is just starting and that could not be further from the truth, as I think.
Prosecutors require certain foundations before taking a case to trial to guarantee a victory due to double jeopardy, and I believe LE is simply covering their bases, plus wanting someone/as many people as possible to confirm the information that is known or will be found during scientic investigation of the evidence. A good defense attorney will do his/her best to get as much information as possible thrown out as this WILL be a high profile criminal court case so expect the suspects that are eventually arrested to be represented by top notch defensce attorneys. By having more people come forward with proven details about this case, it will solidify the case and futher the odds of a conviction. It is a standard practice in all communities to put out rewards such as this to get others to confirm details and agree to testify and/or lead them to important evidence in a case-even sometimes when the suspects are already proven/known. Offering a reward of $5000 within weeks of a hot case in no way means that LE is stumped or it is a cold case-they are simply covering all bases and hoping others with information about this case do the right thing and come forward and further build the case against their suspect(s) while the case is still hot/memories do not become an issue later and odds are peple are sharing incriminating details and/or evidence, or noticing odd behavior that could be associated with this crime scene and cause the potential caller to give a break in the case. Many cases have been solved or helped tremendously using this method of reward and I hope it does the same in this case to futher solidfy it to put the perps away.
(02-09-2011, 04:14 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ]Just to add another Bee to some bonnets:
While trolling around the Lucas County Sheriff's website and just thought I'd check sex offenders and guess what??? Within one mile of that house there are 4 sex offenders living at the same address!! Check it out...that's creepy!
Within 1 mile, I Googled it:
2100 Longacre Ln
Springfield Township, OH 43537
SexOffenders address: (4 at same address) :O
6201 Garden Rd, Maumee, OH 43537
Distance: 1.5 miles, but it's closer because on the Lucas county website it puts this address within 1 mile of the Longacre Ln address.
This was just another avenue to look down and a creepy one at that...
I am sure they checked out these sex offenders, but they did say there were pants or something around Lisa's neck? Right or was I reading something else?
Wow, it is that messed up or what? There's a school right near there!
IMO, the full and complete details of every sex offender's conviction should be posted online - not just their addresses.
How in the hell can there be FOUR of them in one house?!!! This doesn't look like the kind of neighborhood that you'd find a half way house for sex offenders.
This is where the "law" is full of shit and America needs to go back to the days where the neighborhood says, HELL NO, they are not going to live here.
GOD, this stuff makes me crazy.
(02-09-2011, 10:40 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:14 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ]Just to add another Bee to some bonnets:
While trolling around the Lucas County Sheriff's website and just thought I'd check sex offenders and guess what??? Within one mile of that house there are 4 sex offenders living at the same address!! Check it out...that's creepy!
Within 1 mile, I Googled it:
2100 Longacre Ln
Springfield Township, OH 43537
SexOffenders address: (4 at same address) :O
6201 Garden Rd, Maumee, OH 43537
Distance: 1.5 miles, but it's closer because on the Lucas county website it puts this address within 1 mile of the Longacre Ln address.
This was just another avenue to look down and a creepy one at that...
I am sure they checked out these sex offenders, but they did say there were pants or something around Lisa's neck? Right or was I reading something else?
Wow, it is that messed up or what? There's a school right near there!
IMO, the full and complete details of every sex offender's conviction should be posted online - not just their addresses.
How in the hell can there be FOUR of them in one house?!!! This doesn't look like the kind of neighborhood that you'd find a half way house for sex offenders.
This is where the "law" is full of shit and America needs to go back to the days where the neighborhood says, HELL NO, they are not going to live here.
GOD, this stuff makes me crazy.
6201 Garden Rd. is listed as being condos.
(02-09-2011, 11:09 PM)seriouslycurious Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 10:40 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:14 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ]Just to add another Bee to some bonnets:
While trolling around the Lucas County Sheriff's website and just thought I'd check sex offenders and guess what??? Within one mile of that house there are 4 sex offenders living at the same address!! Check it out...that's creepy!
Within 1 mile, I Googled it:
2100 Longacre Ln
Springfield Township, OH 43537
SexOffenders address: (4 at same address) :O
6201 Garden Rd, Maumee, OH 43537
Distance: 1.5 miles, but it's closer because on the Lucas county website it puts this address within 1 mile of the Longacre Ln address.
This was just another avenue to look down and a creepy one at that...
I am sure they checked out these sex offenders, but they did say there were pants or something around Lisa's neck? Right or was I reading something else?
Wow, it is that messed up or what? There's a school right near there!
IMO, the full and complete details of every sex offender's conviction should be posted online - not just their addresses.
How in the hell can there be FOUR of them in one house?!!! This doesn't look like the kind of neighborhood that you'd find a half way house for sex offenders.
This is where the "law" is full of shit and America needs to go back to the days where the neighborhood says, HELL NO, they are not going to live here.
GOD, this stuff makes me crazy.
6201 Garden Rd. is listed as being condos.
They are, I used to live there. Check post #1315
It has been a couple days since I listened to the 911 tapes so please tell me if my thought process is wrong.....
The Sheriff was dispatched on the 2nd 911 call at 2:06 a.m., they stayed at the house approx. 36 minutes, assuming the sheriff's left at approx. 2:42 a.m.
Wasn't T at the house (she drove dad there), on the 2nd call, when Mom & the cousin had her blocked in the drive??
The 3rd 911 call, when they found them, came at 3:50 a.m.
My question: WHAT were Mom, Dad, Cousin and T all doing from
2:42 a.m. until 3:50 a.m.??? It sure doesn't take 1 hour and 8 minutes to look in the windows....that is an awful lot of time....do you see where I'm going with this?
(02-09-2011, 05:47 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 05:14 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 04:10 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 12:57 PM)Kip Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Freshbait78' pid='125673' dateline='1297268164']
Was just looking on FB at the Justice for Johnny & Lisa page & found this:
Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Tiffanny williams her boyfriend does home invasions and is in n out of prison. She is the same girl that set up jonathan jackson to get robbed by donald her boyfriend at tge time and jonathan got robbed by them but had gun andvin self defense shot her boyfriend donald and killed him on arlington last year
17 hours ago · LikeUnlike.Maytee La Cubana Vazquez She had a car tha nite she is a liar wen she called johnny she was goin out there to shoot pool with someone else i know in my heart she set him up she also stated she went by hoise several times after call and seen house ramsacked then she waits two hours to call someone to call me i hope she rots in hell that bitch ugh im sorry about my profanity but she is guilty as sin
17 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personKathy Anderson-Powers likes this..
Could you please explain the process of "doing a home invasion."
You can read the whole conversation by going to the page & clicking on the "Just Others" link at the top. It's the 11th comment down, started by a male with the initials S.N. (not sure I can state his name here) Just thought some may be interested. 
VERY interesting.
If true (and it sounds plausible), I wonder if Maytee ever reported any of this to LE before Johnny got killed or if she was okay with home invasions happening to other people.
^^In bold
Actually only about 16 states have "home invasion" laws. I don't believe Ohio is one. It differs from Burglary because you can commit Burglary whether the home/business is occupied or not. With a home invasion, the home must be occupied and you have entered with the intent of committing a crime and came with a weapon. At least that's how I interpret it.
Yeah, I have no idea about the various statutes. Just figured since Maytee has a B&E record, she's totally cool with entering the property of another with the intent of committing further crimes.
They are, I used to live there. Check post #1315
Sorry. I must have missed that one! It took me hours to catch up on the pages I missed last night
(02-09-2011, 10:15 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 09:10 PM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ]Wow great board-checking back in after finding it a few days ago.
My speculations only:
Very well thought out and explained!
In short, you too are considering the possibility that Johnny was in on it until things went terribly wrong.
On the other hand, a new element has been introduced since the earlier speculation - that of an alleged ex-boyfriend of Lisa, who allegedly has a bad temper and just got out of prison.
If true, could this be a revenge killing? Could he have expected LS to wait for him?; since coming out, was he slighted, shunned or worse yet mocked in some humiliating way by Johnny and/or Lisa?
This is a new element to ponder. I wish we knew his name so that we could at least check out his complete criminal record, priors if any etc.
(02-09-2011, 08:49 PM)fabulous Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 07:21 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ]LadyCop,
Can you give us some idea of the scope, staffing and resources of the Detective Bureau of the Lucas County Sheriff's Office; and how does it compare with the Toledo Police Dept's Detective Bureau in size, scope, experience and training?
I'm local and I'll try and help answer this ...best I can that is.
I would say that the TPD has more officers, resources, scope, experience, etc. TPD has many many detectives...vice, gang unit, crimes against people, special victims unit, cold case unit, etc. Our sheriff is a crook...but that's a whole other topic! I'm not sure that the sheriff deputies are all that experienced in this type of crime...which is why the FBI got involved (or so I heard). our sheriff deputies here in lucas county mostly keep watch over the housing projects and the jail... in no way do I want to sound demeaning to them... they also patrol the country roads which are in lucas county and outside of toledo city limits... I don't believe that their detective bureau is as experienced or as big as TPD.... the city of holland has a very small police dept. I have NO idea on exact numbers though...
My personal impression of the TPD's Detective Bureau is that they are highly professional; well-trained and experienced; with lots of resources to fall back on; and that the County Prosecutor and her staff work well with them.
The Sheriff's Dept however has always struck me as uniformed deputies appointed by the political patronage system and/or because somebody's brother-in-law needed a job. I hope their Detective Bureau is more than that, but I don't know and have my doubts.
Does their Det. Bur. have any depth in pre-screening; formal training; and experience in capital murder cases?
They only get one chance to do this right.
Posted on the Justif for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub page by JC's mom about a half hour ago:
"Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Her name is
tiffany williams and she was also involved in a set up last year robbery gone bad where her boyfriend got shot n killed by the guy she set up so her boyfriend and others could rob....i hope she rots in hell forever and dies with the rest of demons that did this i hate them n i wont rest til they pay
42 minutes ago · Like · 1 person
Maytee La Cubana Vazquez I will mention her name shes a fucking bitch and she knows i hope she rots in hell n dies for not calling police at 11... T
he kids would prolly still be alive if she wouldve called.i wish them the worst death ever ;,,,( god forgive me"
!!!!!!!!
