(02-18-2011, 10:39 AM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:34 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.
he wouldn't do what? please put the quote in here.
He would not go on national tv without clearing what he going to say through LE and his sister in law.
(02-18-2011, 10:50 AM)wanttoknow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:42 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Freshbait78' pid='129987' dateline='1298038519']
The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)
Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.
Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.
Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.
Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol
I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol
Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.
this is what i have been saying. they knew he was talkin to tiff and she was in on it, why else were they not concerened that help was on the way. cause they knew that down ass bytch was not calling anyone .....for a while. im telling you that was not tiff here posting and i think i know who it was. tiff is in on it. id bet money on that and if she is cleared i will be the first to apologize. untill then she is an accomplis to murder in mind and is only my opinion. and you know a mothers instinct is very strong. did anyone notice in the picture of johny and lisa standing by the ocean, johny has a large tattoo going down his right arm starting at his shoulder MAYTEE going down to his elbow very large letters. tells me he loved his mother very much.JMO
He probably got it when he was 10 yrs old.
[/quote that tattoo is big no 10 yo could handle the pain and it is proffessionally done.
(02-18-2011, 10:51 AM)aileen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:34 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.
hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.
My only concern with Lisa's uncle, is that in his latest interview he mentioned that they had some people willing to contribute big money to the reward fund, if needed. Now why would you put that out there?? Wouldn't you think that would make someone hold off on confessing/snitching?? Certainly they would be happy with 10K, but why bother when they now know they can hold out for BIGGER money????
This concerned me.
It shouldn't. Money is a strong motivator. More money may get someone to tell what they know. It's was held out there like a carrot on a stick.
(02-18-2011, 09:39 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [ -> ]....but to be absolutely correct, I will post again why I believe this is important:
She said she waited an hour, because JC said he would call her back-
She never mentions JC saying he would call her back on the 911...she doen't say she waited an hour, she says she started calling and texting right back-
So what's the story? Did TW wait an hour because JC said he would call her back like she said on the board-or did she start to call/text right back like she said on the 911 call:
"I called him right back and he didn't answer. so I texted my friend Lisa's phone and and I was like umm where are you are, are you guys okay and they have not answered to me nothing they have not answered the phone and I been callin and callin...callin"
To me, TW sounds pretty worried about their safety on the 911 call when she says she called them right back. Or she wasn't worried until an hour later because JC said he would call her back? Why didn't she say Jc said he would call her back on the 911 call?
Was this at 11pm or an hour later?
SORRY, THAT IS A BIG DEAL, NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL AT ALL...
IT GOES TO THE TIMELINE OF THE VICTIMS...WHEN WERE THE VICTIMS UNABLE TO ANSWER AT 11pm OR AN HOUR LATER?? DID THE PHONE GO DEAD AT 11pm OR WAS IT AN HOUR LATER?? HOW IS THAT INCONSEQUENTIAL???
Sorry, that is a big discrepancy!
and I did correct what I mistyped.
EastCoastKat - You and I are on the same page. This is a huge problem and anyone who says it isn't is not thinking clearly. I've been driving this same point home for awhile now. I'm curious as to which version LE is going with?????
(02-18-2011, 10:57 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:51 AM)aileen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:34 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.
hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.
My only concern with Lisa's uncle, is that in his latest interview he mentioned that they had some people willing to contribute big money to the reward fund, if needed. Now why would you put that out there?? Wouldn't you think that would make someone hold off on confessing/snitching?? Certainly they would be happy with 10K, but why bother when they now know they can hold out for BIGGER money????
This concerned me.
It shouldn't. Money is a strong motivator. More money may get someone to tell what they know. It's was held out there like a carrot on a stick.
I agree with Aileen. I had to shake my head when I heard him say that. Yes money is a strong motivator, which is the reason for the reward to begin with BUT why would someone tell all they know when hearing that if they wait a bit longer they stand to gain more with their information. He should have either left that part out or announced that the pot had officially been raised. Now I believe that if there is a person with info willing to come forward they will wait for the reward to increase.
(02-18-2011, 11:06 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:57 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:51 AM)aileen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:34 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.
hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.
My only concern with Lisa's uncle, is that in his latest interview he mentioned that they had some people willing to contribute big money to the reward fund, if needed. Now why would you put that out there?? Wouldn't you think that would make someone hold off on confessing/snitching?? Certainly they would be happy with 10K, but why bother when they now know they can hold out for BIGGER money????
This concerned me.
It shouldn't. Money is a strong motivator. More money may get someone to tell what they know. It's was held out there like a carrot on a stick.
I agree with Aileen. I had to shake my head when I heard him say that. Yes money is a strong motivator, which is the reason for the reward to begin with BUT why would someone tell all they know when hearing that if they wait a bit longer they stand to gain more with their information. He should have either left that part out or announced that the pot had officially been raised. Now I believe that if there is a person with info willing to come forward they will wait for the reward to increase.
Which is why he announced it. Think about it you are sitting at home and if you know something you are monitoring the news about the case. You dangle more money at someone and they may just come forward. I know Jim this was a calculated move done in partnership with LE and Lisas family.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I`m a little concerned about that myself because there was clearly an indication that -- as long as they believed this girl, anyway, and what her phone call stated, that a stranger -- there are strangers -- and I believe there`s more than one -- strangers had gotten into the home that these two people did not know and they felt threatened. And then these two people were no longer answering the door or left the home. So I think there would be more reason -- I`d take a little bit more time looking around, as best I could, like the parents eventually did, you know, peeping in everywhere, to make sure there wasn`t something going on in there.
(02-18-2011, 10:28 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ]jc and ls must have parked in driveway and probably left garage door up. perps came in as ls was changing out of her uniform.and shut garage door jmo. and just coincidence tiff calls to see if they are home yet. then give the signal. they are there!JMO! in my heart i feel she is involved,again just MY opinion. you can bet all players are being watched closely. i do not think it was tiffany here posting.jmo
Sharit, whoever posted had invited here privately ala TW's Facebook account. I think it was her and/or her boyfriend posting here.
(02-18-2011, 10:12 AM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 05:21 AM)shitstorm Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 03:00 AM)kitty1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 02:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.
So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.
the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)
Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.
she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.
makes sense to me.
We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.
Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.
Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.
personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.
do u think that her uncle is gonna announce on national tv that she was half dressed. he says that she was still in her uniform. you can't assume that to mean her entire uniform. the point he was trying to make was that she wasnt home very long because she always changes out of her uniform right away. She didn't get that far.
Okay, you two have been going back and forth on this point. kitty, do you know, FOR A FACT, that Lisa was partially dressed? Did you get that from a family member?
i am family. i was told that she had no shirt on. maybe i misunderstood or they were referring to johnny. i will try to ask again, but some questions are just too sensitive or inappropriate to ask
Also...please ask about the cell phones . were they placed on either or both of the bodies?
LadyCop - Is LE (for this case) on here? I hope so!
(02-18-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the intruder(s) who TW can't see is referred to as "that man". And, the fact that there is an interest to deflect away from what likely happened "robbery gone wrong". Kids like TW and ZB and .??? think people in the suburbs are "rich". I think they saw the Straub house and felt like they hit the jackpot. Hell, they're used to robbing people who live on Arlington avenue.
(02-18-2011, 11:24 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ]Also...please ask about the cell phones . were they placed on either or both of the bodies?
I wouldn't put too much into the statement on cell phones. Maytee said it while screaming at an inept 911 operator who was asking dip-shit questions.
(02-18-2011, 07:09 AM)DCTim Wrote: [ -> ]I think the one who would know for sure would be Johnny's dad who was the very first to find the bodies. Amazing that he hasn't been heard from since - anywhere - and Maytee nevers makes mention of him (that I recall) in her FB posts.
Remember, when the Straub family is quiet, it's because their respectable, upstanding, stoic citizens who are waiting for LE to do their work. I have no doubt this is true of anyone involved. Maytee is also not saying much about those responsible of late. I think they're all trying to let LE do their jobs.
I get the feeling that JC Sr. is fairly quiet. Even right after the bodies were found, he had trouble speaking about it. Of course, he was very distraught.
(02-18-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)
Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.
Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.
Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.
Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol
I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol
Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.
You make a very important point here. So if Tw really heard the altercation then the perps had to know they were not in danger of being caught because they knew who was calling.
(02-17-2011, 11:44 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2011, 11:40 PM)Jane Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2011, 11:37 PM)JsMom Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2011, 11:36 PM)Jane Wrote: [ -> ]I searched out, how long would it take to die, with a plastic bag over your head. Worded it other ways too, but it pretty much comes up with, anywhere betw 5 to 7-8 minutes. You lose consciousness first, then as the brain is more deprived, death comes fairly soon, after that.
yeah, would be a horrible way to die, knowing you're going to run out of air. Those few minutes would feel like forever :(
And dear God....If they were attacked at 11p and didn't die till 1am....thats 2 hours of horror wondering if you were gonna live.
(02-18-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)
Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.
Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.
Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.
Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.
Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol
I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol
Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.
"don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me."
Yeah, that bothers me too! Because TW says he was yellin, and then she says he was arguing with someone, actually she says a "man" but couldn't make out what the man was saying..SO the KILLER/KILLERS must have heard JC say to TW I'LL CALL YOU BACK, RIGHT AND THEN THE PHONE RINGS AND RINGS, WOULDN'T YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE FOR FEAR THAT PERSON WOULD COME OVER OR CALL THE COPS??? Unless maybe they knew who JC was talking to..??? That's why this is important, and I don't see how others do not see that!
Another thing: TW says...."umm So I drove out to their house after umm my friends mom got home and umm nobody answered the door" this is on the 911 call.
"when they did not answer after a hour i woke up my friends ma n asked to use her car." This is on the board.
Was TW waiting for friend's mom to come home or was friend's mom asleep and you woke her up?
Discrepancy...AGAIN...two very different things...
(02-18-2011, 11:13 AM)broke331 Wrote: [ -> ]PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I`m a little concerned about that myself because there was clearly an indication that -- as long as they believed this girl, anyway, and what her phone call stated, that a stranger -- there are strangers -- and I believe there`s more than one -- strangers had gotten into the home that these two people did not know and they felt threatened. And then these two people were no longer answering the door or left the home. So I think there would be more reason -- I`d take a little bit more time looking around, as best I could, like the parents eventually did, you know, peeping in everywhere, to make sure there wasn`t something going on in there.
I'm only bringing up the part that LS phone call stated,
(02-18-2011, 11:03 AM)Sean69 Wrote: [ -> ]EastCoastKat - You and I are on the same page. This is a huge problem and anyone who says it isn't is not thinking clearly. I've been driving this same point home for awhile now. I'm curious as to which version LE is going with?????
I think it's a fair point, and I hate to give anyone ideas but one could claim a combination. For example -
He said he'd call me back, but I was still a bit concerned. I became more concerned when I couldn't reach him for an hour.
(02-18-2011, 11:06 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:57 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:51 AM)aileen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2011, 10:34 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.
hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.
My only concern with Lisa's uncle, is that in his latest interview he mentioned that they had some people willing to contribute big money to the reward fund, if needed. Now why would you put that out there?? Wouldn't you think that would make someone hold off on confessing/snitching?? Certainly they would be happy with 10K, but why bother when they now know they can hold out for BIGGER money????
This concerned me.
It shouldn't. Money is a strong motivator. More money may get someone to tell what they know. It's was held out there like a carrot on a stick.
I agree with Aileen. I had to shake my head when I heard him say that. Yes money is a strong motivator, which is the reason for the reward to begin with BUT why would someone tell all they know when hearing that if they wait a bit longer they stand to gain more with their information. He should have either left that part out or announced that the pot had officially been raised. Now I believe that if there is a person with info willing to come forward they will wait for the reward to increase.
maybe LS uncle should have announced that police have received some calls offering information in attempts to claim the reward money" that may get one perp riled up thinking "hey i'M getting sold out for 10k...maybe i should flip for that 10k on someone else first.