(02-10-2011, 12:02 AM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 10:15 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 09:10 PM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ]Wow great board-checking back in after finding it a few days ago.
My speculations only:
Very well thought out and explained!
In short, you too are considering the possibility that Johnny was in on it until things went terribly wrong.
On the other hand, a new element has been introduced since the earlier speculation - that of an alleged ex-boyfriend of Lisa, who allegedly has a bad temper and just got out of prison.
If true, could this be a revenge killing? Could he have expected LS to wait for him?; since coming out, was he slighted, shunned or worse yet mocked in some humiliating way by Johnny and/or Lisa?
This is a new element to ponder. I wish we knew his name so that we could at least check out his complete criminal record, priors if any etc.
Very good points. I stil think the factors of the parents being out of town/opportunity and J & L having pool parties at the house recently and those people (connected to Johnny and Lisa, not the ex) knowing the parents were gone will prove the link, not the ex.However, lots has been insinuated about the ex so I wlil be interested to know more about him. So far no one has been able to dig up much about him?
Nothing is impossible. Although I still think a group of people caused the murder of Johnny and Lisa, I am also reminded about the BTK killer who killed many people at once on his own and the recent killer in the past year who killed three people and put their dismembered bodies in a tree and lead the police to the bodies after thankfully his fourth young victim was found alive and bound in his basement. He killed them all on is own?? It is hard for any of us not in the position to imagine ONE person being able to subdue four people, let alone just two, so who knows? The ex could be a possibility.
Although we do not have children of our own, I have always advised my nieces and nephews if anyone pulls a weapon on you in public and tries to get you into a vehicle to take you to a second location-this usually means death-run and scream bloody murder-sad that Lisa and Johnny were in what they perceived as a safe location-her home :( I am still confident this will be solved and be proved a personal relationship, not a professional hit. I just hope justice is found asap to help the families.
possibly someone who partied with them at the house in the days prior?
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(02-10-2011, 12:36 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 12:02 AM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 10:15 PM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2011, 09:10 PM)TellMeACrimeStory Wrote: [ -> ]Wow great board-checking back in after finding it a few days ago.
My speculations only:
Very well thought out and explained!
In short, you too are considering the possibility that Johnny was in on it until things went terribly wrong.
On the other hand, a new element has been introduced since the earlier speculation - that of an alleged ex-boyfriend of Lisa, who allegedly has a bad temper and just got out of prison.
If true, could this be a revenge killing? Could he have expected LS to wait for him?; since coming out, was he slighted, shunned or worse yet mocked in some humiliating way by Johnny and/or Lisa?
This is a new element to ponder. I wish we knew his name so that we could at least check out his complete criminal record, priors if any etc.
Very good points. I stil think the factors of the parents being out of town/opportunity and J & L having pool parties at the house recently and those people (connected to Johnny and Lisa, not the ex) knowing the parents were gone will prove the link, not the ex.However, lots has been insinuated about the ex so I wlil be interested to know more about him. So far no one has been able to dig up much about him?
Nothing is impossible. Although I still think a group of people caused the murder of Johnny and Lisa, I am also reminded about the BTK killer who killed many people at once on his own and the recent killer in the past year who killed three people and put their dismembered bodies in a tree and lead the police to the bodies after thankfully his fourth young victim was found alive and bound in his basement. He killed them all on is own?? It is hard for any of us not in the position to imagine ONE person being able to subdue four people, let alone just two, so who knows? The ex could be a possibility.
Although we do not have children of our own, I have always advised my nieces and nephews if anyone pulls a weapon on you in public and tries to get you into a vehicle to take you to a second location-this usually means death-run and scream bloody murder-sad that Lisa and Johnny were in what they perceived as a safe location-her home :( I am still confident this will be solved and be proved a personal relationship, not a professional hit. I just hope justice is found asap to help the families.
possibly someone who partied with them at the house in the days prior?
Exactly-I think it was someone at the party the night before and knew the parents were gone by being there, or friends of people who partied there and shared the info about the house and parents gone. Miss T is the only one trying to cough up a crazy alibi/reporting two hours after she supposedly heard a disturbance on a phone that she heard probs and drove by and saw a ransacked house, then called a friend that called Johnny's parents,etc etc. I have no doubt she is lying and going to go down soon.
I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
(02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
i would think most people know about cell phone pings and how they work.
(02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:19 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
i would think most people know about cell phone pings and how they work.
You'd be surprised.
i don't. how do they work?
(02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:19 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
i would think most people know about cell phone pings and how they work.
You'd be surprised.
i don't. how do they work?
It's a combination of physics and ye olde Pythagorean Theorem from geometry class.
http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-ph...ngulation/
(02-10-2011, 01:25 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:19 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
i would think most people know about cell phone pings and how they work.
You'd be surprised.
i don't. how do they work?
It's a combination of physics and ye olde Pythagorean Theorem from geometry class.
http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-ph...ngulation/
Just remember the line from The Wizard of Oz (original) where the Scarecrow receives a Diploma from the Wizard, points a finger towards the side of his head, and recites: "… "
(02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)an0n Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:22 AM)Methusala Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:19 AM)sharit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
i would think most people know about cell phone pings and how they work.
You'd be surprised.
i don't. how do they work?
towers are every where and as you go you travel from tower to tower, connected to closest tower. every tower you connect to is a ping. i may be wrong but i think even if. your not talking the phone still pings so you are abel to get incoming calls
Exactly what I'm saying. These idiots probably think...no phone, no pings, no problem. Because I'm telling you, before this is all said and done, Tiffany did NOT hear him say who are you? what are you doing? That was just a cover story. She thinks that that will "prove" she had nothing to do with it and that it was some random act of violence.
One of Ms. T's bff's posted this on FB 2/1/11:
"Taken Christmas Night - I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥"
She also posted this:
", Damn Lifes Crazy. I Was Just W. You Lastnight. When You Left To Go Get Your Girl From Work I Never Would Of Guessed It'd Be The Last Time I Seen You. Rest In Peace Johnny ♥"
So to answer who were they partying with days/hours before their tragic death, Johnny's friends. I believe they were Johnny's friend's since she continues to post "Rest In Peace Johnny ♥" and not RIP Johnny and Lisa. Also, this girl also went to high school with Johnny not with Lisa. This is also weird, around 2/5/11 she became FB friends with Johnny's mother??
(02-10-2011, 01:04 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also wondering if Tiffany called Johnny's cell phone WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE when the shit went down, and the idiots actually thought destroying the cell phones would "destroy" any "pings", thinking that no one could trace where the phone was when it made or answered a call. Why else would the cellphones be destroyed and scattered about? J & L are subdued, tied, bags over their heads, they're not going to call anyone.
I'm still thinking Tiffany is about as smart as a box of rocks and it will eventually catch up to her. Takes some time to get cell records, pings, prints, DNA, etc. so we have a ways to go unless somebody rolls to get the reward (which is what I think will happen) None of these idiots can keep their mouths shut and I think its just a matter of time.
I don't find a smashed phone odd in these circumstances. There was probably a very violent fight. If one of the victims reached for their phone, one of the perps probably threw it/stepped on it/deliberately destroyed it.
Quote:I don't find a smashed phone odd in these circumstances. There was probably a very violent fight. If one of the victims reached for their phone, one of the perps probably threw it/stepped on it/deliberately destroyed it.
I don't find the destruction of a phone odd either, what I found odd is that the police, in stating what the search warrant yielded, said they found cell phone parts strewn all over the room. They stepped on it to smash it and then picked it up and threw the pieces all over the room? It just reeks of overkill so to speak. Like they really wanted to make sure the cell phone couldn't be "put back together". IDK, I'm going all OCD on the phone thing now..*sigh*
(02-10-2011, 02:26 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I don't find a smashed phone odd in these circumstances. There was probably a very violent fight. If one of the victims reached for their phone, one of the perps probably threw it/stepped on it/deliberately destroyed it.
I don't find the destruction of a phone odd either, what I found odd is that the police, in stating what the search warrant yielded, said they found cell phone parts strewn all over the room. They stepped on it to smash it and then picked it up and threw the pieces all over the room? It just reeks of overkill so to speak. Like they really wanted to make sure the cell phone couldn't be "put back together". IDK, I'm going all OCD on the phone thing now..*sigh*
I don't think it's that significant but the phone being smashed to bits could happen if, for instance, one of the perps took it and threw it against the wall or some other hard surface.
On all of these FB pages there is such an outpouring of love for Johnny. Not much mention of Lisa, at all. That makes me think that she wasn't too familiar to those who knew him.
(02-10-2011, 01:52 AM)jash Wrote: [ -> ]Bout an hour ago from RIP Johnny
Quote:RIP Johnny Come sleep with me my sweet angel i want to see feel touch smell kiss hug you johnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;,,,,,,,(
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1...7417605357
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