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(04-13-2011, 02:39 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote: [ -> ]That night that this all happened has it ever been told what TW's reaction was when they found the bodies?

ALWAYSBITCHEN, Back to Freshbait78 Post 14711 Maytee is on the phone I believe to the 911 operator the 2^nd call John Sr. is already there with Tiffany, Maytee still on phone to 911 tells the operator this girl that called me I have her blocked in & here's the license plate number - the 911 operator wishes to speak to Tiff and then as Maytee is passing the phone over Maytee says to Tiff "I think you set my son up" this is heard on the recordings. It is unknown when Tiffany left the scene exactly - but, I am sure what Maytee said must have shaken Tiffany up, no one knew that Johnny and Lisa were laying inside the home dead - my guess is Tiffany left about the same time the Police left she would not want to be left alone with the Clarkes - IMO Maytee was frantic rightly so - where were the young people here. Assuming Tiffany left prior to John Sr. kicking in the door Tiffany wouldn't know anything - and she wouldn't need to go down to the Police Station. We don't know her reaction at the crime scene that night really or when she first heard the news. Maybe pspence, pplcrazy or Nina can find out from AG. I do think Maytee made Tiffany very nervous that night. My opinion only.

(04-13-2011, 04:27 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ][b]new message from Maytee:

LC, could she be held libel for this? It doesn't seem like a very smart move in my opinion.

(04-13-2011, 04:44 PM)curious Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-13-2011, 04:27 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [ -> ]new message from Maytee:

LC, could she be held libel for this? It doesn't seem like a very smart move in my opinion.

someone could try, but i doubt it with only initials.

Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa
If you or anyone you know has been robbed or harrassed or feels threatened by AP or TW please call crimestoppers asap at 4192551111 these evil demons are a true menace to society n themselves their motive is robbery leading to murder...they do not have a conscious or remorse for their actions get them locked up before they try and hurt you!!!

Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa Acting like they are friendly to gain your trust scoping out your place like a snake in the grass then catching you when you least expect it and are vulnerable...they are truly pathetic excuses for human life.... the world will be better without their evil please call crimestopper and have these evil demons locked up

Freshbait78, About AG coming on Mock - he wouldn't have to answer every question thrown out to him on Mock. I agree with you on (why you don't like a thief) definately! and I agree with you again on the snitchin AG hates that. I wonder about all this jive talking with Maytee and AG - he was trying to belittle her son and her - then Maytee back at him - it was down right awful all the way around - I wish none of it had ever happened - yet in the middle of it all Maytee tells AG and you are not like your little brother he's an angel! can you believe this? so I am being neutral in all this - wondering does Maytee know the little brother? Why is he an angel? I'd like to ask AG that question. Doesn't he get jealous of Mr Z running around with his "gurl"? Where was AG that night when Tiff was meeting up with Johnny and Lisa? Then later on he finds out they are both dead didn't he worry himself how his babymama could have been murdered that night also? Just questions IMO.

(04-13-2011, 05:08 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Maytee tells AG and you are not like your little brother he's an angel! can you believe this? so I am being neutral in all this - wondering does Maytee know the little brother? Why is he an angel? I'd like to ask AG that question. Doesn't he get jealous of Mr Z running around with his "gurl"? Where was AG that night when Tiff was meeting up with Johnny and Lisa? Then later on he finds out they are both dead didn't he worry himself how his babymama could have been murdered that night also? Just questions IMO.

I agree with everything you've posted above. 100%

(04-13-2011, 05:08 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Freshbait78, About AG coming on Mock - he wouldn't have to answer every question thrown out to him on Mock. I agree with you on (why you don't like a thief) definately! and I agree with you again on the snitchin AG hates that. I wonder about all this jive talking with Maytee and AG - he was trying to belittle her son and her - then Maytee back at him - it was down right awful all the way around - I wish none of it had ever happened - yet in the middle of it all Maytee tells AG and you are not like your little brother he's an angel! can you believe this? so I am being neutral in all this - wondering does Maytee know the little brother? Why is he an angel? I'd like to ask AG that question. Doesn't he get jealous of Mr Z running around with his "gurl"? Where was AG that night when Tiff was meeting up with Johnny and Lisa? Then later on he finds out they are both dead didn't he worry himself how his babymama could have been murdered that night also? Just questions IMO.

Hi Owl Well all I can say is that I believe that AG is a thief, actually a self-proclaimed thief. He has no problem talking about what he's done in his "past" (however short that past may be) & IMO in order to be a thief you need to be a liar. They go hand in hand. I really don't care one way or another if AG comes to Mock to answer questions because I would be taking everything he said with a grain of salt (just like I did when TW came here) It's hard to determine when a liar is lying or telling the truth, especially via internet.

As for AGs brother, I've looked at his FB page. He is a college student, very well spoken, doesn't curse or talk in slang like AG does & from what I understand he even does volunteer work with youths. Completely night & day from AG so I understand why Maytee said what she did.

As for AG getting jealous about Z.... I have heard (rumor) that has been discussed here even, that AG did bust into a NYE party in which TW was accompanied by Z & AG ran Z off, pulled out a gun & shot it & robbed people at the party. I have myself viewed pictures from this party. There are pictures of TW & Z together, TW holding a beer & a picture of TW leaning on a male (unidentified) crying. So yes I think if that story is true, he may be the jealous type. I think that he would have no problem with Z being named in this investigation if it kept his name out of it & maybe AG wasn't worried about TW being there at the Straubs that night because he knew there was not going to be any danger to her, because he & she, both knew what was going to happen & were in some way involved. IMO

I haven't been on my computer for a couple hours. The remarks that were on Justice are no longer there. Similiar one from a couple days ago are gone too. Kind of seems like they are up until somebody copies and paste them. This makes no sense to me. Even if she has second thoughts and deletes them, she has to know that one of the Mockers has preserved it!

oh she knows. she counts on us i think.

but i don't mind at all making a record.

Maytee:

Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa Acting like they are friendly to gain your trust scoping out your place like a snake in the grass then catching you when you least expect it and are vulnerable...they are truly pathetic excuses for human life.... the world will be better without their evil please call crimestopper and have these evil demons locked up

OMG! I think that I'm cracking up! The posts ARE on FB. I saw the posts here and immediately when to FB. Hate to admit it, but I have Mock & FB open 16 hrs a day. ( Really feel stupid admitting this. Really need to get a life. I don't know what happened. I kept clicking on most recent and even signed off & back on. Anyway it's all good again and I feel much better.

I did not know Ag or Tw before any of this but he was willing to talk to me.. Idk if he is lieing to me or not but I will make a point, in no way am I defending him or putting maytee down but why is it we can listen to maytee post all of this stuff on Fb about tw and ag and yet if someone hears ag's side then hes lying.. He should have a right to state his side too.. whos to say her feelings arent wrong or maybe this had some connection to someone she knew and so shes trying to cover it up by pointing the fingers at ag and tw because they are easy targets, im not saying thats the case im just saying the tables can turn either way, again Im not saying i believe ag and tw but at this point I dont know where this case is going so i want to hear both sides... I still think they made alot of fuck ups in their life and they better get their shit together if they arent involved in this case but if they are then they are going to get what is coming to them from the law..

(04-13-2011, 07:08 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: [ -> ]Idk if he is lieing to me or not but I will make a point, in no way am I defending him or putting maytee down but why is it we can listen to maytee post all of this stuff on Fb about tw and ag and yet if someone hears ag's side then hes lying..

Maytee's actions and words have been questioned on here many, many times trust me. In fact she's been through the ringer and I'd say there are several people on here that do not trust her or believe everything she says. I don't for one second think she is involved with her son's murder but I don't believe everything she says either.

As to TW and AG, of course they are entitled to their side - and we can choose to believe or not believe them. I personally do NOT because their actions and comments with/towards people they actually KNOW carry a lot more weight than what they tell complete strangers. They BOTH have bragged and laughed about robbing and hurting people; they have both made several derogatory comments about JS and LS- when they are talking to their so-called "friends" and peer group.

In that little conversation posted yesterday it sounded to me like AG was bragging about his robbery/safe cracking skills and priding himself on protecting his criminal cohorts by not snitching. Nothing he said changed my opinion of him. It only furthered convinced me that he is a sociopath or pyschopath with a grandiose view of himself.

I am more than willing to listen to his side and honestly I am not convinced he was actively involved but I still think he knows who is (including TW). Regardless I think he is loser thug and we'd all be a lot safer if people like him were off the streets.

Probably the strongest reason that I doubt that TW/AG had anything to do with the murders is because of Maytee. The more that Maytee goes on and on, and nothing happens, the less I think that TW/AG are involved. Johnny's mom is not a credible source, imo. She is a mad woman at this point. And mostly talks up her ass.

(04-13-2011, 07:08 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: [ -> ]I did not know Ag or Tw before any of this but he was willing to talk to me.. Idk if he is lieing to me or not but I will make a point, in no way am I defending him or putting maytee down but why is it we can listen to maytee post all of this stuff on Fb about tw and ag and yet if someone hears ag's side then hes lying.. He should have a right to state his side too.. whos to say her feelings arent wrong or maybe this had some connection to someone she knew and so shes trying to cover it up by pointing the fingers at ag and tw because they are easy targets, im not saying thats the case im just saying the tables can turn either way, again Im not saying i believe ag and tw but at this point I dont know where this case is going so i want to hear both sides... I still think they made alot of fuck ups in their life and they better get their shit together if they arent involved in this case but if they are then they are going to get what is coming to them from the law..

I'm not going to speak for everyone ofcourse but my personal thoughts are that AG is a thug, he admitts this & says he wouldn't change a thing about what he's done in his past. He has admitted that he likes other peoples money & that he has robbed people. He is not trustworthy (for me) so anything that comes from his mouth is debateable & that's his own fault because he admitts what he "was" a bad person who did bad things to innocent people & has no remorse for it. He is a liar point blank. As I've said before, you cannot be a thief, rob people & be trustworthy or taken at your word. His word means shit to me, not because of what Maytee or anyone else has said, but because of what he, himself has said about his self.

I was thinking about this earlier today.... Maytee sure seems to have her fingers pointed straight at TW & AG. This is a woman who knows more than we do & NOT because she was involved in her sons murder but because she's privy to more than we are. She knew Johnnys personal business (& even enemies) where as we do not, she was there that night & lived what happened, she talks to people who know all parties involved, she has access to the police & where the investigation is going. None of us can call up the detectives & demand to know what they know, she can & has valid reason to do so. We are internet strangers who just happened to take an interest in this case. We are not privy to everything. Being that she knows more than us.... why do you think she still has her sights set on TW & AG? & to say that she is pointing the finger at them to cover up some neferious plot on her part would imply that she has a personal vendetta against the 2 of them that started long before that fatefull night. Where is the proof of that? Have TW tell it, she had never met Maytee untill that night. I refuse to believe that she set this up & to believe that she is fingering TW & AG for this for her own personal gain is to imply that. That I cannot believe.

Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa Deadbeat mom abusing drugs and owes outstanding child support payments all children taken away please contact crimestopper and child support agency also wanted for welfare fraud get the evil off the streets people!!!

(04-13-2011, 07:52 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]None of us can call up the detectives & demand to know what they know, she can & has valid reason to do so.

She can demand all she wants but those investigators aren't telling her a damn thing. Do you think they are unaware of the way she runs her mouth? Why the hell would they risk their case on Maytee's ability to keep her mouth shut?

(04-13-2011, 08:11 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-13-2011, 07:52 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]None of us can call up the detectives & demand to know what they know, she can & has valid reason to do so.

She can demand all she wants but those investigators aren't telling her a damn thing. Do you think they are unaware of the way she runs her mouth? Why the hell would they risk their case on Maytee's ability to keep her mouth shut?

I don't think they're telling her everything they know but I do think they are telling her enough to appease her & I do think they are telling her that if she flaps her jaws she could ruin the whole entire prosecution hence her "My silence is a virtue" statement as of late. My point was.... she knows more than any of us know & rightly so. Who the fuck are we to think that we should be privy to the inside scoop? LOL Ya know what.... when all this is said & done, my life will still go on. I still have my daughter to raise & love & take care of. Maytee doesn't have her eldest son anymore. Her life will never be the same. I've learned some things through this case, particularly about the city that I live in & the people who live here but I am in no way as effected as Maytee & her family is. She flaps her jaws & she has everything to loose, I don't.

(04-13-2011, 06:04 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-13-2011, 05:08 PM)NightOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

Hi Owl Well all I can say is that I believe that AG is a thief, actually a self-proclaimed thief. He has no problem talking about what he's done in his "past" (however short that past may be) & IMO in order to be a thief you need to be a liar. They go hand in hand.

Let me get this straight, based on your comment above JC would have been considered a liar as well, correct?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and it's not just you, even Maytee has made numerous remarks about AG and crew being "thugs" because they rob people. Now If I'm not mistaken, JC was charged with two counts of armed robbery as well. So I'm curious, is this characterization based off FB? Please explain...